Who is most hated - Thatcher or Blair

[crankedup]

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

[loafer123]

crankedup said:

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

Back on the subject of your original accusation, do you have any evidence of either park privatisation under Thatcher, or that Denis Thatcher benefitted directly from it?

[crankedup]

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

Back on the subject of your original accusation, do you have any evidence of either park privatisation under Thatcher, or that Denis Thatcher benefitted directly from it?

Ermmmmmmmm, what accusation would that be??

Searched around for some info' about privatisation of public parks services and found none at all. What I did find was information regarding the outsourcing of public services within local government. This is compulsory competitive tendering inviting third parties to compete for provision of services. This is what I was referring to earlier but it is clearly not privatisation as such.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 12:04

[HardtopManual]

I'd say Blair is the more hated of the two; it's just that people who hate Blair hate him for the things he actually did (illegal war, being complicit with Brown in wrecking the economy, installation of placemen in the great institutions of state etc), whereas people who most loudly hate Thatcher tend to hate her because they're told to, judging by the average age of a Thatcher Death Party attendee.

There is quite a large swathe of the population who loved Thatcher and wish we had more politicians like her today, whereas you'd have to search very hard to find anyone of any political stripe who still holds Blair with any affection.

[loafer123]

crankedup said:

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

Back on the subject of your original accusation, do you have any evidence of either park privatisation under Thatcher, or that Denis Thatcher benefitted directly from it?

Ermmmmmmmm, what accusation would that be??

Searched around for some info' about privatisation of public parks services and found none at all. What I did find was information regarding the outsourcing of public services within local government. This is compulsory competitive tendering inviting third parties to compete for provision of services. This is what I was referring to earlier but it is clearly not privatisation as such.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 12:04

There is a very fine line between accusation and insinuation.

In this case, I guess we had best agree to differ.

[andymadmak]

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Cranky, all that was missing from the above post was the "innocent face" , Sally Bercow style... You were going for the smear and you know it. If I'm wrong then I will apologise unreservedly, but equally, you need to clarify what you're posting - especially given your well documented political leanings

[Jonc]

HardtopManual said:

I'd say Blair is the more hated of the two; it's just that people who hate Blair hate him for the things he actually did (illegal war, being complicit with Brown in wrecking the economy, installation of placemen in the great institutions of state etc), whereas people who most loudly hate Thatcher tend to hate her because they're told to, judging by the average age of a Thatcher Death Party attendee.

There is quite a large swathe of the population who loved Thatcher and wish we had more politicians like her today, whereas you'd have to search very hard to find anyone of any political stripe who still holds Blair with any affection.

Thatcher was a great politician and one of the finest PMs this country has seen. It is a testiment to her leadership that we still talk about her 24 years after she left office. I doubt the current crop of loathsome political leaders will be remembered a year after the GE.

[crankedup]

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

Back on the subject of your original accusation, do you have any evidence of either park privatisation under Thatcher, or that Denis Thatcher benefitted directly from it?

Ermmmmmmmm, what accusation would that be??

Searched around for some info' about privatisation of public parks services and found none at all. What I did find was information regarding the outsourcing of public services within local government. This is compulsory competitive tendering inviting third parties to compete for provision of services. This is what I was referring to earlier but it is clearly not privatisation as such.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 12:04

There is a very fine line between accusation and insinuation.

In this case, I guess we had best agree to differ.

No I won't agree to disagree! I asked a perfectly normal reasonable and valid question this is not insinuating nor is it accusing.

[crankedup]

andymadmak said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Cranky, all that was missing from the above post was the "innocent face" , Sally Bercow style... You were going for the smear and you know it. If I'm wrong then I will apologise unreservedly, but equally, you need to clarify what you're posting - especially given your well documented political leanings

One thing I will not do is be a liar, I may be wrong, so far as this forum is concerned, in some aspects but I am not a liar. It is a genuine question that I needed an answer to, I now have the answer and pleased that the rumours and mutterings I had heard over years are unfounded. No apology is needed or required.

We all know of MPs misappropriations and wrongdoings over the years, including Husbands and Wives of MPs involvements. My question had this in mind, was there wrongdoing or not. My question has been answered.

[crankedup]

Back on topic. I owe Blair a debt of gratitude, his Premiership awakened my mistrust in all levels of politics and all tie colours. They are all from the same cloth (except Vince )

[loafer123]

crankedup said:

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

Back on the subject of your original accusation, do you have any evidence of either park privatisation under Thatcher, or that Denis Thatcher benefitted directly from it?

Ermmmmmmmm, what accusation would that be??

Searched around for some info' about privatisation of public parks services and found none at all. What I did find was information regarding the outsourcing of public services within local government. This is compulsory competitive tendering inviting third parties to compete for provision of services. This is what I was referring to earlier but it is clearly not privatisation as such.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 12:04

There is a very fine line between accusation and insinuation.

In this case, I guess we had best agree to differ.

No I won't agree to disagree! I asked a perfectly normal reasonable and valid question this is not insinuating nor is it accusing.

It is best to use question marks when asking a question.

Your statement had none.

On the most charitable interpretation, you were clearly insinuating wrong-doing and your faux self-righteous attempts to deny it are demeaning to you and the intelligence of the PH readership.



Edited for grammar.

[crankedup]

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

loafer123 said:

crankedup said:

smegmore said:

don4l said:

crankedup said:

IIRC one of the first public sector areas to be put up for privatisation was the Public Parks and maintenance. Not sure how much truth may lay in the story that Dennis Thatcher had major shareholdings in a grounds maintenance company involved in the early bidding processes.

Utterly disgusting post.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why?

I don't see any accusation in crankedup's post, only yourself coming over all precious at the thought that the spouse of MT may have taken a chance on a business opportunity, as businessmen sometimes do.

Have a word with yourself.

Thank you, I did make an honest polite effort without a blatant accusation within my post. I appreciate that a lot of my posts are found to be disagreeable on a political level but the response on this occasion was well out of order.

My reputation is clearly considered before thought of response.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 10:27

Back on the subject of your original accusation, do you have any evidence of either park privatisation under Thatcher, or that Denis Thatcher benefitted directly from it?

Ermmmmmmmm, what accusation would that be??

Searched around for some info' about privatisation of public parks services and found none at all. What I did find was information regarding the outsourcing of public services within local government. This is compulsory competitive tendering inviting third parties to compete for provision of services. This is what I was referring to earlier but it is clearly not privatisation as such.

Edited by crankedup on Tuesday 23 December 12:04

There is a very fine line between accusation and insinuation.

In this case, I guess we had best agree to differ.

No I won't agree to disagree! I asked a perfectly normal reasonable and valid question this is not insinuating nor is it accusing.

It is best to use question marks when asking a question.

Your statement had none.

On the most charitable interpretation, you were clearly insinuating wrong-doing and your faux self-righteous attempts to deny it are demeaning to you and the intelligence of the PH readership.



Edited for grammar.

Keep digging your hole then. You may wish it to be an insinuation but as that only a matter that you have decided it to be I can only re-iterate what I have already replied. Look at the remark I made to which you objected and show me where I asked a specific question. I didn't to save you looking, it is later that I make valid attempts in explaining, out of courtesy, to a few posters. You made a goof just apologise and redeem your self respect.

[crankedup]

Jonc said:

HardtopManual said:

I'd say Blair is the more hated of the two; it's just that people who hate Blair hate him for the things he actually did (illegal war, being complicit with Brown in wrecking the economy, installation of placemen in the great institutions of state etc), whereas people who most loudly hate Thatcher tend to hate her because they're told to, judging by the average age of a Thatcher Death Party attendee.

There is quite a large swathe of the population who loved Thatcher and wish we had more politicians like her today, whereas you'd have to search very hard to find anyone of any political stripe who still holds Blair with any affection.

Thatcher was a great politician and one of the finest PMs this country has seen. It is a testiment to her leadership that we still talk about her 24 years after she left office. I doubt the current crop of loathsome political leaders will be remembered a year after the GE.

'after she left office' that's overly generous considering her own Cabinet kicked her out. I do agree about the current crop of politicians.

[Walford]

HardtopManual said:

I'd say Blair is the more hated of the two; it's just that people who hate Blair hate him for the things he actually did (illegal war, being complicit with Brown in wrecking the economy, installation of placemen in the great institutions of state etc),

I dont hate B,liar for what he got wrong, I hate him because from the day he walked into number 10 he wanted the next move up, be it first President of the EU, leader of the free world or first leader of planet earth, but he was prepared to sacrifice the UK to get what he wanted

Thatcher would never have sold us down the river No No No

[Jonc]

We can thank Thatcher for not selling the Pound Sterling down the Euro river, that is certain.

[richie99]

I believe that Blair is (very appropriately) more of an equal opportunity hate figure. People from right across the spectrum of political beliefs, contribution to our society and mental stability are able to hate him. Thatcher on the other hand, hated by small subset who are restricted to one extreme of one or more of the above.

[Asterix]

richie99 said:

I believe that Blair is (very appropriately) more of an equal opportunity hate figure. People from right across the spectrum of political beliefs, contribution to our society and mental stability are able to hate him. Thatcher on the other hand, hated by small subset who are restricted to one extreme of one or more of the above.

This is what I meant by my 'boiling frog' comment.

Thatcher was scalding hot water and those affected kicked back hard not to be boiled.
Blair was the tepid water that was slowly heated and he nearly killed us all while the country sat there thinking everything was warm and rosy.

She's hated venomously by a relative few (and the sheep that believe what they are told). He's manifestly despised by many.