I want equality with women - jail her for life

[NicD]

Unbelievable story

Family's anger after wife who ran down and killed husband with her car following an argument is spared jail
Kareen Pope convicted in October of causing husband George's death. She had been giving him a lift when they argued and he got out of the car. She drove behind him before hitting him, trapping him under the vehicle

Mrs Pope was spared jail and was instead sentenced to community service

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2873260/Wi...

[anonymous-user]

And her being a woman had what to do with the sentence?

There's no comment about it anywhere in the article-just that the sentence is too lenient?

[NicD]

cookie118 said:

And her being a woman had what to do with the sentence?

There's no comment about it anywhere in the article-just that the sentence is too lenient?

I am saying it. If the roles had been reversed and the wife had been run over and killed after a drunken argument, would the result be community service?

read the article:
''But instead of going inside, he started staggering slowly in front of the car and refusing to move out of the way, so I had no option but to drive slowly behind him to get to the end of the narrow street.
'The road was dark as it was winter, but I could clearly see him in front of the car bonnet and he stumbled slightly then disappeared.
Mr Pope pictured with his sister Christina - she says the sentence given to Kareen Pope is 'disgusting'

'I quickly did an emergency stop and looked at my son in a panic. I tried to reverse and, when the car wouldn't move, I realised George was under the car.
'I am a qualified nurse but I panicked when I saw him lying there. I just froze.
'He was my husband and I loved him and when I took his hand and held it, I knew he was dead.'
During the trial, Pope's lawyer, Manus Tolland, said: 'This incident is something that is going to live with her for the rest of her life.'
Sheriff Fife also told the hearing: 'This is a tragic case. She was careless, that is the bottom line, but I am not going to send her to jail. This is a very long and tragic case which has gone on for years.
'It is very sad.'
He added: 'I do not want to upset you. I am not going to send you to jail. You were careless and it had a terrible consequence.
'There needs to be an element of punishment for what took place. Now, you can put it behind you.'
Mrs McManus said she struggles to comprehend why the sheriff said he did not want to upset her son's ex.
She said: 'How can the sheriff tell her not to get upset and that he wouldn't jail her?

[anonymous-user]

I read the article

Still don't get why it makes a difference that she's a woman

[Moonhawk]

cookie118 said:

I read the article

Still don't get why it makes a difference that she's a woman

It shouldn't - but many studies have shown that courts are much more lenient with women.......The courts are hardly going to state that is the case though are they?

Couple of examples (one a US study - the other a UK study):

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id...

http://www.parity-uk.org/Briefing/MenandWomenandth...

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 14th December 15:13

[ikarl]

I think I'm with the op on this one, can't see a bloke getting community service in a similar situation

[NicD]

It shouldn't, that is my point.
She got preferential treatment first for the charge, then the sentencing.

If she had been sentenced for the initial charge of causing her husband's death by dangerous driving.
Here are the sentencing guidelines

Level 1
The most serious offences encompassing driving that involved a deliberate decision to ignore (or a flagrant disregard for) the rules of the road and an apparent disregard for the great danger being caused to others
8 years custody
7–14 years custody
Level 2
Driving that created a substantial risk of danger
5 years custody
4–7 years custody
Level 3
Driving that created a significant risk of danger
[Where the driving is markedly less culpable than for this level, reference should be made to the starting point and range for the most serious level of causing death by careless driving]
3 years custody

For the offence: of Careless or inconsiderate driving falling not far short of dangerous driving

Starting Point: 15 months custody
Sentencing range: 36 weeks - 3 years custody

Nature of offence: Other cases of careless or inconsiderate driving

Starting Point: 36 weeks custody
Sentencing range: Community order (HIGH) - 2 years custody

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

It shouldn't, that is my point.
She got preferential treatment first for the charge, then the sentencing.

Nope-don't see it

It seems like an overly lenient sentence but I still don't see what her being a woman had to do with it.

Edit: So OP you think women are advantaged in the UK?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 14th December 15:26

[Jasandjules]

Community service for deliberately running someone down and killing them?! My word.

[NicD]

cookie118 said:

NicD said:

It shouldn't, that is my point.
She got preferential treatment first for the charge, then the sentencing.

Nope-don't see it

It seems like an overly lenient sentence but I still don't see what her being a woman had to do with it.

Woman have formed very effective pressure groups to advance their cause. In addition, men are ingrained from an early age with a sense of chivalry towards woman. This is often manifested in court situations where doddery old judges favour women. The result is, woman are often given the benefit of the doubt, and more when it comes to motive and certainly sentencing.

[Moonhawk]

cookie118 said:

Edit: So OP you think women are advantaged in the UK?

Can't speak for the OP - but in terms of sentences handed out by courts (relative to those handed out to men - on average).......evidence would appear point to the fact that they are.

[Abagnale]

I think you'll find if you look, that on a like for like offending basis, women do far more stir than men. Therefore you are full of st & a shocking misogynist who probably had his nose tweaked by the hottie bird at school & has been crying about it ever since.

[NicD]

Abagnale said:

I think you'll find if you look, that on a like for like offending basis, women do far more stir than men. Therefore you are full of st & a shocking misogynist who probably had his nose tweaked by the hottie bird at school & has been crying about it ever since.

show the facts big mouth.

[Grumfutock]

I agree with OP. If this had been the husband killing the wife the would be getting a 20 stretch! No idea if the judge was swayed by the fact she was a female or if it is just a case of incompetence but I have my suspicions.

Having read the news report it would appear to be murder, man slaughter at the very least. The jury took 30 mins to find her guilty. To add insult to injury the cheek cow is appealing the sentence.

[CAFEDEAD]

Unbelievably lenient sentence.

[Abagnale]

NicD said:

show the facts big mouth.

It's your assertion that women get off light in the justice system, so over to you to prove it, women hater.

[NicD]

Abagnale said:

It's your assertion that women get off light in the justice system, so over to you to prove it, women hater.

perhaps you are off your face but I have already listed the sentencing guidelines above

you on the other hand have made an assertion about 'stir' and a personal an unwarranted attack on me which I have reported you for.

so bigmouth, show your facts.

[Moonhawk]

From the second study I posted above:

"Overall, a higher proportion of males were sentenced to immediate custody than females. For indictable offences, 27.2% of males received immediate custody compared to 14.7% of females, about half the male rate. For summary offences, the male rate was 2.5% compared to only 0.4% for females."

"The average custodial sentence length for males was 15.1 months and for females 10.4 months. The pattern was similar across the different age ranges."

"The majority of both males (54.1%) and females (65.0%) with a determinate sentence, received a sentence of less than 6 months. However, a higher proportion of males (32.7%) than females (22.8%) received a sentence of more than 6 months."

"45.7 thousand persons were sentenced to immediate custody, 41.4 thousand males (90.6%) and 4.3 thousand females (9.4%), corresponding to 3.4% of all males and 1.2% of all females. Convicted males were thus about three times more likely than females to receive a sentence of immediate custody"

and from the conclusions

"In general in the Crown courts, it appears that larger proportions of female offenders (out of all female defendants) were acquitted, or, if convicted, were more likely to be given a discharge, community sentence, or suspended sentence, compared to male offenders, but a much lesser proportion given immediate imprisonment than males."

[The Vambo]

NicD said:

Abagnale said:

I think you'll find if you look, that on a like for like offending basis, women do far more stir than men. Therefore you are full of st & a shocking misogynist who probably had his nose tweaked by the hottie bird at school & has been crying about it ever since.

show the facts big mouth.

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[Einion Yrth]