Gunman Takes Hostages In Sydney Cafe, 'ISIS' Flags Held
Discussion
robinessex said:
Not if you've just been disintegrated by a .5cal bullet.
Do you really think once that round has hit the bad guy it stops or disappears? I think it was you stating that the round can kill people at 1.5 miles? How much energy do you think it will have left after only being fired from 200 meters and hitting something soft.This guy also sums it up nicely
simo1863 said:
But you'd kill anyone in front, behind and probably immediately to the sides of the gunman. You don't want to be putting a large calibre round like that into a small space full of people.
Even if you don't get hit by the round or it's shockwave it's going to be throwing all kinds of fragments and debris around.
Even if you don't get hit by the round or it's shockwave it's going to be throwing all kinds of fragments and debris around.
I was being doubly ironic. The character, Drax the Destroyer from Guardians of the Galaxy, understands everything said to him literally. He cannot comprehend metaphor, irony, sarcasm or any other abstract form of speech. There is an amusing conversation in the movie:
Rocket Raccoon: [about Drax] "Metaphors go over his head."
Drax the Destroyer: "NOTHING goes over my head!... My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it."
Rocket Raccoon: [about Drax] "Metaphors go over his head."
Drax the Destroyer: "NOTHING goes over my head!... My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it."
Colonial said:
Jader1973 said:
Bill said:
Yes. He was a Muslim version of Raoul Moat, IS would love you to see this as a terror plot but he basically just a criminal scumbag looking for a big out.
I agree. He was 100% bonkers and wanted to make a statement. Nothing else to it.Raoul Moat was an ex-con Geordie panel beater with a grudge against his ex-girlfriend and her new partner. His head was f
ked up, but it had nothing to do with religion.His actions bare no relation whatsoever to the prick in Sydney who asked for an IS flag.
I also have to ask the following: why choose this particular chocolate shop?
Were the founders of Lindt, David Sprungli-Schwarz and Rudolf Sprungli-Ammann, Jewish...? Are they Jewish names, and was there more to the choice of siege location than originally thought?
This was a tricky situation for the hostages and it is easy to be an armchair expert when you are not under stress.
Presumably there were a lot of knives around, being a cafe.
Perhaps it would have been possible for somebody to knife the guy in the neck when he was asleep instead of some people escaping, then him waking up and it turning pear shaped. But who knows, we weren't there and we were not under that level of stress. Edit: we also don't know what he told the hostages. Maybe he told them he was wired up with explosives and if anything happened to him, kabooom.
Presumably there were a lot of knives around, being a cafe.
Perhaps it would have been possible for somebody to knife the guy in the neck when he was asleep instead of some people escaping, then him waking up and it turning pear shaped. But who knows, we weren't there and we were not under that level of stress. Edit: we also don't know what he told the hostages. Maybe he told them he was wired up with explosives and if anything happened to him, kabooom.
Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 16th December 14:48
simo1863 said:
I still don't think it's a good call to start chucking big calibre shots through a coffee shop.
Indeed, not ideal. I think everyone is getting fixated on a .50 calibre round. If the decision is made to shoot him through a window, then something and somebody will be found with the appropriate training and equipment to shoot him through the window. I suspect it would not be a .50 calibre rifle that would be chosen and it wouldn't be an automatic small calibre assault rifle either. In making that decision it would be a balance between the probability of incapacitating the target and the possibility of unintended casualties. The whole situation is not ideal, so it becomes harm minimisation. There are some good Youtube vids about .50 BMGs going through brick walls, although they are generally the lightweight bessa brick walls which are shown. I don't know how far into concrete they would penetrate, not that far is a guess.
MLH said:
creampuff said:
then something and somebody will be found with the appropriate training and equipment to shoot him through the window.
Half of fking Pistonheads by the sounds of it 
creampuff said:
Indeed, not ideal. I think everyone is getting fixated on a .50 calibre round. If the decision is made to shoot him through a window, then something and somebody will be found with the appropriate training and equipment to shoot him through the window. I suspect it would not be a .50 calibre rifle that would be chosen and it wouldn't be an automatic small calibre assault rifle either. In making that decision it would be a balance between the probability of incapacitating the target and the possibility of unintended casualties. The whole situation is not ideal, so it becomes harm minimisation.
There are some good Youtube vids about .50 BMGs going through brick walls, although they are generally the lightweight bessa brick walls which are shown. I don't know how far into concrete they would penetrate, not that far is a guess.
There's also a video of a guy firing the M82 at a steel plate where it richochets back, hits the ground in front of him, bounces up and hits his ear protectors.There are some good Youtube vids about .50 BMGs going through brick walls, although they are generally the lightweight bessa brick walls which are shown. I don't know how far into concrete they would penetrate, not that far is a guess.
Anyway, it was shown on the news after the event an Aussie copper with a bolt action rifle so it's not like they hadn't considered it
Justayellowbadge said:
krunchkin said:
Kind of baffling reading the descriptions of what went down. One fruticake with that many people in the cafe - keeping them all at bay with a crappy little shotgun. Post the 9/11 "let's roll" thing you might have thought some of the men would have just rushed him. And surely once the first hostages were out and had told law enforcement it was one islamic nut with a shotgun then a headshot from a sniper could have ended this. Very odd.
Very odd indeed. Almost as if the decisions made were taken by those involved and present, without the insight of those catching bits of it on the web.
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k me there are some stupid people on this website.greygoose said:
Symbolica said:
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k me there are some stupid people on this website.
Bill said:
citizensm1th said:
1. I am guessing you do not understand the standing or meaning of the term imam in the Sunni sect?
a Sunni imam is akin to your dad or school teacher all the term imam means in the Sunni sect is the one who leads the prayers and anyone can lead the prayers.
2. part of the Sunni sect is at war with any non Sunni's if those Sunni's who want to live in peace with the rest of us don't get together and convince the rest of the world they mean what they say they will be lumped in with those who would kill us.
Eh? You were the one wondering why the "leaders" weren't vocally against ISIS. I linked one example and now you say they're irrelevant. So which is it?a Sunni imam is akin to your dad or school teacher all the term imam means in the Sunni sect is the one who leads the prayers and anyone can lead the prayers.
2. part of the Sunni sect is at war with any non Sunni's if those Sunni's who want to live in peace with the rest of us don't get together and convince the rest of the world they mean what they say they will be lumped in with those who would kill us.
the nearest Christian example I can think of is like a church warden telling you something verses a arch bishop
simo1863 said:
But you'd kill anyone in front, behind and probably immediately to the sides of the gunman. You don't want to be putting a large calibre round like that into a small space full of people.
Even if you don't get hit by the round or it's shockwave it's going to be throwing all kinds of fragments and debris around.
Even if you don't get hit by the round or it's shockwave it's going to be throwing all kinds of fragments and debris around.
robinessex said:
Complete 'James Bond' rubbish. No shock wave, just a shattered window, the terrorist dead, and the bullet in the rear wall. No one else will be hit by the bullet, it'll be a clean shot. And no fragments or debri, it's a solid bullet, not a fragmentation grenade. Clean, clinical target shot.
You can guarantee that can you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGfa-sCno1A
Symbolica said:
Justayellowbadge said:
krunchkin said:
Kind of baffling reading the descriptions of what went down. One fruticake with that many people in the cafe - keeping them all at bay with a crappy little shotgun. Post the 9/11 "let's roll" thing you might have thought some of the men would have just rushed him. And surely once the first hostages were out and had told law enforcement it was one islamic nut with a shotgun then a headshot from a sniper could have ended this. Very odd.
Very odd indeed. Almost as if the decisions made were taken by those involved and present, without the insight of those catching bits of it on the web.
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k me there are some stupid people on this website.
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