Gunman Takes Hostages In Sydney Cafe, 'ISIS' Flags Held

[fishballs]

andy_s said:

.50 cal is an anti material long range interdiction round, not for feckin hostage situations across the street. Who spouts this bks?

This. You couldn't make this st up could you. I think the Australian special forces or whoever went in are experts and know what they are doing.

[Jimbeaux]

fishballs said:

andy_s said:

.50 cal is an anti material long range interdiction round, not for feckin hostage situations across the street. Who spouts this bks?

This. You couldn't make this st up could you. I think the Australian special forces or whoever went in are experts and know what they are doing.

This x 2. There are rounds specifically designed to penetrate common barriers such as car doors, building doors, etc. without resorting to Uncle Browning's .50cal. The .357sig, designed for the Secret Service is widely available. The .357 Magnum is a good standby. A .50cal, however, will travel through postal codes; not a great idea.

[creampuff]

Jimbeaux said:

fishballs said:

andy_s said:

.50 cal is an anti material long range interdiction round, not for feckin hostage situations across the street. Who spouts this bks?

This. You couldn't make this st up could you. I think the Australian special forces or whoever went in are experts and know what they are doing.

This x 2. There are rounds specifically designed to penetrate common barriers such as car doors, building doors, etc. without resorting to Uncle Browning's .50cal. The .357sig, designed for the Secret Service is widely available. The .357 Magnum is a good standby. A .50cal, however, will travel through postal codes; not a great idea.

They are handgun round though, likely not accurate enough even if fired from a carbine. That bolt action rifle which was mentioned as being seen at the scene sounds like the tool for the job.

But since a .50BMG was mentioned, why stop there?
Here is a 20mm anti-tank rifle vs an iMac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPhSxDwhTIA

As you can see, a .50 can only handle an iPhone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVnO-3M0HNA

[robinessex]

Oakey said:

robinessex said:

Complete 'James Bond' rubbish. No shock wave, just a shattered window, the terrorist dead, and the bullet in the rear wall. No one else will be hit by the bullet, it'll be a clean shot. And no fragments or debri, it's a solid bullet, not a fragmentation grenade. Clean, clinical target shot.

You can guarantee that can you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGfa-sCno1A

If you're going to fire at a SOLID steel plate, what do you expect ?

[robinessex]

The Barrett has been sold quite extensively to Police Authorities acroos the USA and world wide. I suppose they bought them so they could shoot terrorists at +1mile range then?

[OzzyR1]

krunchkin said:

Kind of baffling reading the descriptions of what went down. One fruticake with that many people in the cafe - keeping them all at bay with a crappy little shotgun. Post the 9/11 "let's roll" thing you might have thought some of the men would have just rushed him. And surely once the first hostages were out and had told law enforcement it was one islamic nut with a shotgun then a headshot from a sniper could have ended this. Very odd.

Probably not so "crappy" if a nutter holding you hostage had it pointed at you.

[simohaya]

If the siege had lasted into the second day i would have made the trip to sydney and taken this mark out at 1500 yards no problem

[Rogue86]

robinessex said:

The Barrett has been sold quite extensively to Police Authorities acroos the USA and world wide. I suppose they bought them so they could shoot terrorists at +1mile range then?

I would imagine they bought them for the same reason as the military did; stopping vehicles. Not so they could fit a CQB sight and vaporise everything within a 700m radius from the hip.

[JensenA]

krunchkin said:

Kind of baffling reading the descriptions of what went down. One fruticake with that many people in the cafe - keeping them all at bay with a crappy little shotgun. Post the 9/11 "let's roll" thing you might have thought some of the men would have just rushed him. And surely once the first hostages were out and had told law enforcement it was one islamic nut with a shotgun then a headshot from a sniper could have ended this. Very odd.

Of only you were one of he hostages, the whole episode would have ended after about 5 minutes after you had rushed him. You're wasted on here, a brave and decisive man who holds no fear of a shotgun. you need to get into the SAS, they'd snap you up

[CAPP0]

simohaya said:

If the siege had lasted into the second day i would have made the trip to sydney and taken this mark out at 1500 yards no problem

[robinessex]

Rogue86 said:

robinessex said:

The Barrett has been sold quite extensively to Police Authorities acroos the USA and world wide. I suppose they bought them so they could shoot terrorists at +1mile range then?

I would imagine they bought them for the same reason as the military did; stopping vehicles. Not so they could fit a CQB sight and vaporise everything within a 700m radius from the hip.

The military use them primarily for sniper duty on individuals. Other weapons are available for vehicle disablement. And they don't vaporise everything within a 700mm radius, and what is this 'hip' nonesense ? A 50 cal bullet does tend to make a mess of what it hits though.

[Efbe]

JensenA said:

krunchkin said:

Kind of baffling reading the descriptions of what went down. One fruticake with that many people in the cafe - keeping them all at bay with a crappy little shotgun. Post the 9/11 "let's roll" thing you might have thought some of the men would have just rushed him. And surely once the first hostages were out and had told law enforcement it was one islamic nut with a shotgun then a headshot from a sniper could have ended this. Very odd.

Of only you were one of he hostages, the whole episode would have ended after about 5 minutes after you had rushed him. You're wasted on here, a brave and decisive man who holds no fear of a shotgun. you need to get into the SAS, they'd snap you up

yeah, unsure if krunchkin it making a quite unfunny joke of the situation, or a complete plank.

[Oakey]

robinessex said:

The military use them primarily for sniper duty on individuals. Other weapons are available for vehicle disablement. And they don't vaporise everything within a 700mm radius, and what is this 'hip' nonesense ? A 50 cal bullet does tend to make a mess of what it hits though.

Is this your expert opinion then? Whereabouts on the balcony were you?

[robinessex]

Oakey said:

robinessex said:

The military use them primarily for sniper duty on individuals. Other weapons are available for vehicle disablement. And they don't vaporise everything within a 700mm radius, and what is this 'hip' nonesense ? A 50 cal bullet does tend to make a mess of what it hits though.

Is this your expert opinion then? Whereabouts on the balcony were you?

Pointless comment. Go to the Barrett website for info.

[Efbe]

CAPP0 said:

simohaya said:

If the siege had lasted into the second day i would have made the trip to sydney and taken this mark out at 1500 yards no problem

not really

how do you know there was only one?

how did you know he was lying about the bombs?

how do you know he isn't holding a grenade.

[Oakey]

creampuff said:

That bolt action rifle which was mentioned as being seen at the scene sounds like the tool for the job.

Here it is

[Rogue86]

robinessex said:

The military use them primarily for sniper duty on individuals. Other weapons are available for vehicle disablement. And they don't vaporise everything within a 700mm radius, and what is this 'hip' nonesense ? A 50 cal bullet does tend to make a mess of what it hits though.

Have a lot of experience with .50 cals and the military I take it?

One above looks like an L96 to me, certainly what our police and military use. Weirdly, they dont use Barretts for some reason.

Edited by Rogue86 on Tuesday 16th December 22:52

[MLH]

Efbe said:

not really

how do you know there was only one?

how did you know he was lying about the bombs?

how do you know he isn't holding a grenade.

I dont think there's a whoosh parrot big enough for this one

[Colonial]

Cobnapint said:

Very much not so.

Raoul Moat was an ex-con Geordie panel beater with a grudge against his ex-girlfriend and her new partner. His head was fked up, but it had nothing to do with religion.

His actions bare no relation whatsoever to the prick in Sydney who asked for an IS flag.

I also have to ask the following: why choose this particular chocolate shop?
Were the founders of Lindt, David Sprungli-Schwarz and Rudolf Sprungli-Ammann, Jewish...? Are they Jewish names, and was there more to the choice of siege location than originally thought?

He has gone through different versions of religion faster than I can run 5km. And I'm not that slow.

He was under investigation for sexual assault while he was a "black magic" practitioner. Hardly one of the cornerstones of fundamental Islam, no?

[simohaya]

Colonial said:

Cobnapint said:

Very much not so.

Raoul Moat was an ex-con Geordie panel beater with a grudge against his ex-girlfriend and her new partner. His head was fked up, but it had nothing to do with religion.

His actions bare no relation whatsoever to the prick in Sydney who asked for an IS flag.

I also have to ask the following: why choose this particular chocolate shop?
Were the founders of Lindt, David Sprungli-Schwarz and Rudolf Sprungli-Ammann, Jewish...? Are they Jewish names, and was there more to the choice of siege location than originally thought?

He has gone through different versions of religion faster than I can run 5km. And I'm not that slow.

He was under investigation for sexual assault while he was a "black magic" practitioner. Hardly one of the cornerstones of fundamental Islam, no?

It certainly looked like his pheasant was cooked so he thought what the st, i may as well go down with the bus and maybe i get remembers as a islam fighter as opposed to a sexy fiddle guy.