Pakistan school Attack

[onyx39]

BBC reporting 132 kids and 9 staff killed.
fking bds.

[KareemK]

GG89 said:

Shocking but not really surprising these days is it?

fking animals and for as long as we have these lefty apologists speaking up for the rot of mankind nothing of note will or can be done.

If you look carefully its far-left regimes that preach atheism and ban religion (ie USSR, China, N.Korea etc)

God is historically an 'instrument' of the far right - see the Southern USA for numerous examples.

[Blackpuddin]

From the Guardian, via the BBC:
"The Pakistani Taliban has grown more extreme and violent as its circumstances have grown more dire, the Guardian's Jason Burke reports. He says that the movement has recently been divided by bitter internal competition and that when militants organisations do this, they 'often become more extreme as individual commanders and their followers seek to prove themselves the most effective, and the most audacious'."
In other words, the Taliban is no different to any other organisation: at core, it's all about power and how to claim it through an 'I've got bigger nuts than you' macho-man culture. I suspect that every single 'commander' of this cowardly rabble could quite easily be bought off the front line by the application of sufficient amounts of Western-style inducement plus a nice new passport and a promise of indemnity. Same for North Korea. Not suggesting that this would or even should ever happen, but I bet there'd be a pretty sudden abandonment of religious principle if that option was put on the table.

[onyx39]

could this mark a turning point in the way Pakistan "assists" the Taliban, and maybe a shift towards the end for them?

[gruffalo]

onyx39 said:

could this mark a turning point in the way Pakistan "assists" the Taliban, and maybe a shift towards the end for them?

One can only hope, I however do not hold much of it.

[qube_TA]

AndStilliRise said:

Real men.

It takes guts attacking school kids. Especially those 'armed' with books and pens.

F-cking cowards.

The kids weren't attacked / killed, they were 'martyred' it's therefore glorious and justified.

You have to read the quran to understand why it's fked and not just another religion.

With religion and religious people you often get a group that feels that their religion isn't being practised properly, has been diluted or isn't quite what the man upstairs wanted. They decide to get back to its roots and do it 'properly' this causes a fork and you end up with the likes of Jehovah's Witness, seventh day adventists and whatnot. However with Christian forks the worst that generally happens is they knock on your door and be a bit of a pest, but are otherwise harmless.

Now if you apply the same mindset to Islam and take a literalistic view of the quran and hadiths then you can end up with something quite scary.

[McWigglebum4th]

drivin_me_nuts said:

Fear not the armies and their guns, fear the children with their pens. For when the children become the men, the men will know the truth and speak the truth in all they see.
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Bingo

[Joey Ramone]

qube_TA said:

The kids weren't attacked / killed, they were 'martyred' it's therefore glorious and justified.

You have to read the quran to understand why it's fked and not just another religion.

With religion and religious people you often get a group that feels that their religion isn't being practised properly, has been diluted or isn't quite what the man upstairs wanted. They decide to get back to its roots and do it 'properly' this causes a fork and you end up with the likes of Jehovah's Witness, seventh day adventists and whatnot. However with Christian forks the worst that generally happens is they knock on your door and be a bit of a pest, but are otherwise harmless.

Now if you apply the same mindset to Islam and take a literalistic view of the quran and hadiths then you can end up with something quite scary.

Christians are just 'pests' are they? While Muslims are natural born child killers, right, courtesy of their 'book'? In which case, how do you explain the actions of Joseph Kony and his murderous Lord's Resistance Army, a fundamentalist Christian armed group that, while rampaging its way round Uganda and the DRC has made the killing and enslavement of children a speciality. Not to mention the widescale rape and dismemberment of women.

This isn't about religion. It's about an insurgency under pressure and kicking back in the only way it knows how. Cruelty is endemic in that part of the world. The tribal areas of Pakistan have long borne witness to things that would make the rest of us instantly curl up and die inside. You've got a generation of men who've been taught that skinning someone alive, or gougeing out their eyes, is an entirely appropriate form of behaviour in certain circumstances.

[Tannedbaldhead]

Joey Ramone said:

qube_TA said:

The kids weren't attacked / killed, they were 'martyred' it's therefore glorious and justified.

You have to read the quran to understand why it's fked and not just another religion.

With religion and religious people you often get a group that feels that their religion isn't being practised properly, has been diluted or isn't quite what the man upstairs wanted. They decide to get back to its roots and do it 'properly' this causes a fork and you end up with the likes of Jehovah's Witness, seventh day adventists and whatnot. However with Christian forks the worst that generally happens is they knock on your door and be a bit of a pest, but are otherwise harmless.

Now if you apply the same mindset to Islam and take a literalistic view of the quran and hadiths then you can end up with something quite scary.

Christians are just 'pests' are they? While Muslims are natural born child killers, right, courtesy of their 'book'? In which case, how do you explain the actions of Joseph Kony and his murderous Lord's Resistance Army, a fundamentalist Christian armed group that, while rampaging its way round Uganda and the DRC has made the killing and enslavement of children a speciality. Not to mention the widescale rape and dismemberment of women.

This isn't about religion. It's about an insurgency under pressure and kicking back in the only way it knows how. Cruelty is endemic in that part of the world. The tribal areas of Pakistan have long borne witness to things that would make the rest of us instantly curl up and die inside. You've got a generation of men who've been taught that skinning someone alive, or gougeing out their eyes, is an entirely appropriate form of behaviour in certain circumstances.

Not that long since the Serbs slaughtered a stload of Bosnians and Croatians. The only Muslims involved were victims. Then there's Rwanda. Not a Muslim in sight, as was the case with Khmer Rouge Massacres, The Chinese Cultural Revolution, Stalin's Purges and The Holocaust.

[steveT350C]

Sorry if already posted, did check, but...


"More Than 1,000 Schools In Pakistan Have Been Attacked By The Taliban In The Last Five Years"


http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/more-than-10...

Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 16th December 19:46

[Andehh]

Utterly horrifying, majority under 16!

[Andehh]

Final report looks to be 126 dead, at least 92 students including one female teacher burnt alive.

[griffin dai]

fking disgusting.

These evil s need wiping off the face of the earth.

[BlackLabel]

The Restorer said:

RobGT81 said:

So now what happens? Everyone stands infront of the cameras/keyboards saying how evil these people are and then...? Forget about it until the next school massacre/mass kidnapping/rape and pillage? Is there any way to deal with these people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Zarb-e-Azb

You can't bomb an ideology into non existence. Simply bombing the tribal region whilst ignoring the more general radicalisation across Pakistani society simply buys you some time until the next set of crazy nut jobs emerge.

For example, this is happening in the nation's capital, not the tribal areas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30005278

[4lf4-155]

HewManHeMan said:

I'm entirely of the opinion that people of this mentality are same personality type who'll be susceptible to committing the atrocities we hear of so frequently. Nature / nurture. Some have the nature, but our culture doesn't nurture it. Plop that same idiot in a lesser educated, less compassionate environment and, hey presto, you've got one motivated easily suggestible retard with a skewed outlook on life ready to go.

This observation is worth highlighting

[blindswelledrat]

br d said:

TKF said:

fblm said:

blindswelledrat said:

Ironically, people who paint a population with such a broad brush of hate are exactly the same as the extremists they are decrying.

Yeah stupid racist comments on PH are 'exactly the same' as murdering children. Get a fvcking grip.

That's not what he said.

Actually, while I'm largely in agreement with BSR's general sentiments here that pretty much is exactly what he said, which does give some weight to fblm's point.

I suppose if some wierd agenda makes someone want to object to my post they can twist it beyond recognition.
In reality though, I was more referring to the general traits of complete intolerance and being unutterably thick , more than actually killing children. For the benefit of the hysterical I am prepared to agree that grand Cherokee has exhibited no sign that he wants to murder children

[JustAnotherLogin]

Also, a general degree of intolerance to one religion, sect or faction perpetuates a sense of persecution and leads to more and more hostile acts in both directions

One has only to look at Palestine, Northern Ireland, the Balkans and many other areas to see this in recent or not quite so recent history

[Derek Smith]

The Taliban fear education. They fear the influence of women. They also fear science.

Odd, really, as the muslim world was the leader in science up to around 1200 or so. The various christian churches were all steeped in superstition and were against knowledge and investigation, meaning we, and the eastern catholics as well, although perhaps not quite so badly as the western ones, kept knowledge to itself. No even itself as most monks, at least those who interfaced with the hoi poloi, were illiterate.

Then the muslims started to believe in myth and they dropped behind us, especially once the reformation kicked in and protestants and secular governments became the norm.

Knowledge is the enemy of religions. No one really believes in the miracle of the sardines, and those in the upper echelons of various churches must struggle to believe in a book that they know is false. A few years ago there was a bishop, Durham?, who did not believe in the resurrection, the afterlife and other fundamentals of his chosen religion, and was happy to speak out about it.

Some have suggested that 'we' can never win the battle against religious terrorism but, I think, the reverse is true. Facts don't go away, no matter how much you force-feed children with myth and magic. Evolution works whether you believe in it or not. Burning books, the favourite of the religious as well as the heathens, does not destroy knowledge.

[oddball1973]

Evil bds, I wish there was an easy answer to fundamentalism but watching the news there isn't a weapon invented too barbaric if it eradicates them off the face of the earth

[joema]

GG89 said:

Shocking but not really surprising these days is it?

fking animals and for as long as we have these lefty apologists speaking up for the rot of mankind nothing of note will or can be done.

Because going to war to avenge Pakistani children is a great idea?

Going to war against these peoples seems like it works given past histories?

I fail to see why you're getting at lefties?



Shocking attack. Can't say I'm surprised. fkers.