Pakistan school Attack

[Eric Mc]

smegmore said:

Good move IMO, ought to send a lot more of these animals to their own particular version of paradise.

That way they won't be able to carry on murdering and causing mayhem.

Except an awful lot of them aren't "militants". Many appear to be small time drug runners etc who have been on death row for years.

[Digga]

Eric Mc said:

Except an awful lot of them aren't "militants". Many appear to be small time drug runners etc who have been on death row for years.

Good point, although we're often told that if you follow the money, the drugs are funding criminals and terrorists.

[Art0ir]

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Drone attacks have been the single best recruiter for the Pakistani Taliban in years.

[2013BRM]

Asterix said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Hope the goats weren't too scared.

hypnotic, like removing cancer or burning out a tumour

[KareemK]

Art0ir said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Drone attacks have been the single best recruiter for the Pakistani Taliban in years.

Of course they are. And with no one to shoot back against (drones being piloted from afar) the Taliban et all will feel justified in commiting acts of terrorism in our country as its the only way they can strike back.

Indeed, all of the technology that makes warfare more efficient and less risky for the 'haves' (Lasers that are now being developed) will only add to their sense of justification in using any means necessary to hurt their enemy.

Imagine yourself fighting for a cause you believe to be just but seeing your comrades being killed by automated machines being run by people using joysticks 5,000 miles away.

Drones have made us all a little bit more vulnerable because to get at us the enemy now have to be over here as we are increasingly not over there.

We shout and scream 'terrorism' but the reality is that they have no choice but to fight the only war for which they have the resources. Drones are actually more sinister/scary than the V bombers of the 2nd WW.

[2013BRM]

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

[Art0ir]

2013BRM said:

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

The link between the rise of the Taliban in Pakistan and drone strikes in the tribal region is hard to dispute. Their own recruiters have said as much in private...

[PRTVR]

I do not see a drone as any difference from an IED, both remotely controlled, with minimal risk to the operator, did the Taliban care ?

[Mr_B]

Art0ir said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Drone attacks have been the single best recruiter for the Pakistani Taliban in years.

The video isn't from a drone, most likely an Apache I would think as it had a machine gun and looked to be flying very low.

[Digga]

Art0ir said:

2013BRM said:

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

The link between the rise of the Taliban in Pakistan and drone strikes in the tribal region is hard to dispute. Their own recruiters have said as much in private...

TBH, I can possibly believe that initially, but with footage like this in the public domain and with the benefit of a few years of demonstration of drone effectiveness, I doubt whether many would sign up to be on the receiving end. And don't forget, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

[supersingle]

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KareemK said:

Art0ir said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Drone attacks have been the single best recruiter for the Pakistani Taliban in years.

Of course they are. And with no one to shoot back against (drones being piloted from afar) the Taliban et all will feel justified in commiting acts of terrorism in our country as its the only way they can strike back.

Indeed, all of the technology that makes warfare more efficient and less risky for the 'haves' (Lasers that are now being developed) will only add to their sense of justification in using any means necessary to hurt their enemy.

Imagine yourself fighting for a cause you believe to be just but seeing your comrades being killed by automated machines being run by people using joysticks 5,000 miles away.

Drones have made us all a little bit more vulnerable because to get at us the enemy now have to be over here as we are increasingly not over there.

We shout and scream 'terrorism' but the reality is that they have no choice but to fight the only war for which they have the resources. Drones are actually more sinister/scary than the V bombers of the 2nd WW.

The fact that a sympathiser like yourself doesn't like them tells us all we need to know.

If we can dispatch terrorists in a precise and efficient manner that's all to the good. Hopefully we'll do the same to ISIS and the people of Syria will get some rest from constant violence, beheadings and genocide at the hands of Muslim lunatics.

[anonymous-user]

2013BRM said:

Asterix said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Hope the goats weren't too scared.

hypnotic, like removing cancer or burning out a tumour

Watched it twice.

[2013BRM]

Art0ir said:

2013BRM said:

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

The link between the rise of the Taliban in Pakistan and drone strikes in the tribal region is hard to dispute. Their own recruiters have said as much in private...

I can believe that, and I now realise that the video was not taken from a Drone but most likely an Apache. No doubt Drones have been responsible for indiscriminate deaths and that is bound to give weight to the Talibans recruitment ability, it's all about how they are used I guess

[Art0ir]

2013BRM said:

Art0ir said:

2013BRM said:

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

The link between the rise of the Taliban in Pakistan and drone strikes in the tribal region is hard to dispute. Their own recruiters have said as much in private...

I can believe that, and I now realise that the video was not taken from a Drone but most likely an Apache. No doubt Drones have been responsible for indiscriminate deaths and that is bound to give weight to the Talibans recruitment ability, it's all about how they are used I guess

VICE News have an excellent Pakistan series on their Youtube channel if you're interested.

[2013BRM]

Art0ir said:

2013BRM said:

Art0ir said:

2013BRM said:

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

The link between the rise of the Taliban in Pakistan and drone strikes in the tribal region is hard to dispute. Their own recruiters have said as much in private...

I can believe that, and I now realise that the video was not taken from a Drone but most likely an Apache. No doubt Drones have been responsible for indiscriminate deaths and that is bound to give weight to the Talibans recruitment ability, it's all about how they are used I guess

VICE News have an excellent Pakistan series on their Youtube channel if you're interested.

thanks, never heard of it, I'll have a shufti

[KareemK]

supersingle said:

The fact that a sympathiser like yourself doesn't like them tells us all we need to know.

"Sympathiser"

The fact that a d**khead like yourself can't see the logic in what's being said tells us all we need to know about your intelligence quotient.

[Art0ir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeN1S2c0Xo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-W_kAfRLlQ

[supersingle]

KareemK said:

supersingle said:

The fact that a sympathiser like yourself doesn't like them tells us all we need to know.

"Sympathiser"

The fact that a d**khead like yourself can't see the logic in what's being said tells us all we need to know about your intelligence quotient.

In every thread like this you sympathise with the terrorists and Islamists. Even a dhead like me with a room temperature IQ can figure it out.

[tvrolet]

2013BRM said:

Asterix said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Hope the goats weren't too scared.

hypnotic, like removing cancer or burning out a tumour

...and with that level of vision prior to firing, and the subsequent accuracy it also perhaps sheds some doubt on the oft reported collateral damage, women, children etc. Seems pretty clearly just hitting the bag guys...not even sure a collateral goat was hit.

[2013BRM]

tvrolet said:

2013BRM said:

Asterix said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Hope the goats weren't too scared.

hypnotic, like removing cancer or burning out a tumour

...and with that level of vision prior to firing, and the subsequent accuracy it also perhaps sheds some doubt on the oft reported collateral damage, women, children etc. Seems pretty clearly just hitting the bag guys...not even sure a collateral goat was hit.

Dunno if a Drone would have that level of vision or a machine gun, plus it was in open land with nothing but goats to confuse things. Compared to a drone operating in a built up area, civilians, confusing heat signatures and armed only with rockets?

just watched this which explains it quite well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeN1S2c0Xo

Edited by 2013BRM on Tuesday 23 December 12:14