Pakistan school Attack

[KareemK]

supersingle said:

KareemK said:

supersingle said:

The fact that a sympathiser like yourself doesn't like them tells us all we need to know.

"Sympathiser"

The fact that a d**khead like yourself can't see the logic in what's being said tells us all we need to know about your intelligence quotient.

In every thread like this you sympathise with the terrorists and Islamists. Even a dhead like me with a room temperature IQ can figure it out.

Link to where I'm sympathetic to terrorists please.

That's 'Sympathetic' rather than 'Realistic', I trust you can tell the difference but I'll not be surprised if you can't.

I'll wait.

[supersingle]

KareemK said:

Of course they are. And with no one to shoot back against (drones being piloted from afar) the Taliban et all will feel justified in commiting acts of terrorism in our country as its the only way they can strike back.

Indeed, all of the technology that makes warfare more efficient and less risky for the 'haves' (Lasers that are now being developed) will only add to their sense of justification in using any means necessary to hurt their enemy.

Imagine yourself fighting for a cause you believe to be just but seeing your comrades being killed by automated machines being run by people using joysticks 5,000 miles away.

Drones have made us all a little bit more vulnerable because to get at us the enemy now have to be over here as we are increasingly not over there.

We shout and scream 'terrorism' but the reality is that they have no choice but to fight the only war for which they have the resources. Drones are actually more sinister/scary than the V bombers of the 2nd WW.

Mostly this bit ^^^

[DamienB]

KareemK said:

We shout and scream 'terrorism' but the reality is that they have no choice but to fight the only war for which they have the resources.

So you are saying they have no choice but to butcher Pakistani school children - little kids in their own country - because we in the west are flying remote control aircraft around taking these animals out one by one? That sounds pretty sympathetic to me.

KareemK said:

Drones are actually more sinister/scary than the V bombers of the 2nd WW.

Doodle Bugs and V1 rockets were pure terror weapons - inaccurate, guided in only the most rudimentary manner and aimed to cause random devastation against the civilian populace.

For the most part, modern day drone attacks are aimed at those jolly types that wander round carrying weapons, planting roadside bombs, and planning on slaughtering children. It's the all too human cockups that make them a recruitment boon for the kiddy murderers. You will not find an RAF or USAF airman who deliberately targets children - fact.

[2013BRM]

Damien, would you agree that, if a Taliban stronghold was discovered in a built up area, and the clock was ticking, that the chance of collateral damage would be considered a risk worth taking?
And, as the link I posted shows, rockets fired from Drones are not the same as an optically slaved chain gun on an Apache. Drones have their place but how they are used needs extreme care

[KareemK]

Jeez Thats it??? I post I made an hour ago.

What happened to all of the other "sympathetic" posts you say I've made?

For the hard of thinking here's what I said on the 17th December on this thread:

KareemK said:

Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging

[supersingle]

KareemK said:

Jeez Thats it??? I post I made an hour ago.

What happened to all of the other "sympathetic" posts you say I've made?

For the hard of thinking here's what I said on the 17th December on this thread:

KareemK said:

Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging

Apparently you are not comfortable with the Taliban slaughtering hundreds of children. The rest of their activities however...

[KareemK]

DamienB said:

KareemK said:

We shout and scream 'terrorism' but the reality is that they have no choice but to fight the only war for which they have the resources.

So you are saying they have no choice but to butcher Pakistani school children - little kids in their own country - because we in the west are flying remote control aircraft around taking these animals out one by one? That sounds pretty sympathetic to me.

Understanding fail.

DamienB said:

For the most part, modern day drone attacks are aimed at those jolly types that wander round carrying weapons, planting roadside bombs, and planning on slaughtering children. It's the all too human cockups that make them a recruitment boon for the kiddy murderers. You will not find an RAF or USAF airman who deliberately targets children - fact.

They don't need to target children, merely kill them by way of collateral damage. See My (and, strangely, Guam's) posts a few days ago.

[Mr_B]

2013BRM said:

Damien, would you agree that, if a Taliban stronghold was discovered in a built up area, and the clock was ticking, that the chance of collateral damage would be considered a risk worth taking?
And, as the link I posted shows, rockets fired from Drones are not the same as an optically slaved chain gun on an Apache. Drones have their place but how they are used needs extreme care

Drone or Apache, makes no difference. The drone can sit on target for hours and watch and wait and should in theory at least stand a much better chance of waiting for a target to be clear of any collateral. The Apache/Other man aircraft doesn't have that chance so much and won't/can't take as many risks as a drone can get away with. All you are seeing at the moment is a ramp up in the ability to kill more, not unlike if the airforce doubled the number of Apaches it had/deployed.

[KareemK]

supersingle said:

KareemK said:

Jeez Thats it??? I post I made an hour ago.

What happened to all of the other "sympathetic" posts you say I've made?

For the hard of thinking here's what I said on the 17th December on this thread:

KareemK said:

Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging

Apparently you are not comfortable with the Taliban slaughtering hundreds of children. The rest of their activities however...

Now show me where I've intimated I'm "comfortable" rather than taken the stance of "what do you expect them to do?"


After all, do they have Tanks/Planes/Warships to do battle in the conventional way?

[Burwood]

Those Drones are kick ass. Are those munitions discharging sulphur or brimstone?

[supersingle]

KareemK said:

supersingle said:

KareemK said:

Jeez Thats it??? I post I made an hour ago.

What happened to all of the other "sympathetic" posts you say I've made?

For the hard of thinking here's what I said on the 17th December on this thread:

KareemK said:

Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging

Apparently you are not comfortable with the Taliban slaughtering hundreds of children. The rest of their activities however...

Now show me where I've intimated I'm "comfortable" rather than taken the stance of "what do you expect them to do?"


After all, do they have Tanks/Planes/Warships to do battle in the conventional way?

Most people see the Taliban for the savages that they are. If they stopped behaving like savages nobody would need to kill anyone.

[anonymous-user]

Yeah I wanna see more videos of that. Talibananas getting "pwn3d", as the internet used to say.

[Burwood]

The US army sure has some incredible weapons

[Octoposse]

OpulentBob said:

2013BRM said:

Asterix said:

Blackpuddin said:

If revenge is on the menu then the drone is your friend. The death that can be dished out by these things is frightening.
This clip is not for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/eBEU-OiEvII

Hope the goats weren't too scared.

hypnotic, like removing cancer or burning out a tumour

Watched it twice.

Highly unpleasant (and it's not drones - attack helicopters), but apart from the recording, it's really no different from the Somme or Verdun: great gaps in the ranks being torn by a single well sited machine gun, with the 'targets' baffled as to where death is coming from.

[Burwood]

More drone footage- have a look from 20 secs and comment on what is happening here. It involves goats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFoN52P2oU

[Hoofy]

2013BRM said:

Art0ir said:

2013BRM said:

I think Drones are a relatively new addition to the 'war on terror' though, they were leaving IEDs around and blowing themselves up in markets for years before they came along. If the West stopped using them would the terrorists stop killing?

The link between the rise of the Taliban in Pakistan and drone strikes in the tribal region is hard to dispute. Their own recruiters have said as much in private...

I can believe that, and I now realise that the video was not taken from a Drone but most likely an Apache. No doubt Drones have been responsible for indiscriminate deaths and that is bound to give weight to the Talibans recruitment ability, it's all about how they are used I guess

Wondered why it had a gun like that. My reference is BF3 and gunship rounds explode in that fashion.

http://youtu.be/vZ8aJjgXKjA



You're right - I do think a goat got hit as well.

[Art0ir]

supersingle said:

Apparently you are not comfortable with the Taliban slaughtering hundreds of children. The rest of their activities however...

You should watch the Fog of War.

There is a clear difference in empathising with the enemy to gain understanding and sympathising.

[Asterix]

Burwood said:

More drone footage- have a look from 20 secs and comment on what is happening here. It involves goats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFoN52P2oU

You're a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad man for posting that.

Sure that's not Aberystwyth on a Friday night?

[Burwood]

Asterix said:

Burwood said:

More drone footage- have a look from 20 secs and comment on what is happening here. It involves goats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFoN52P2oU

You're a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad man for posting that.

Sure that's not Aberystwyth on a Friday night?

You sure you should be on this thread, being based in the UAE

[anonymous-user]

Burwood said:

More drone footage- have a look from 20 secs and comment on what is happening here. It involves goats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFoN52P2oU

Dirty buggers.