Pakistan school Attack

[BlackLabel]

Mr Trophy said:

Correct me if I am wrong here.

I was under the impression that the Taliban hate the ISIS for the evil things they have done?!

A bit like Al-Q, the 'Taliban' is now an umbrella term which takes in several Islamist groups from the Afg-Pak region. There is the Afghan Taliban, there is the Haqqani network which is basically an arm of the Afghan Taliban. Ironically both these groups are supported by and have deep ties to the Pakistan Army and state.

Then there is the Pakistani Taliban which is made up of three main factions.

Some support the Islamic State/ISIS and some don't. All however want an Islamic/Sharia state in the Afg-Pak region.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Eric Mc said:

I don't understand it either - but if someone decides that a particular group is "the enemy", then any atrocity becomes legitimised in their mind. It's not unique to Islam.

What other cases of mass slaughter of Children comes to mind.
The world may be as mad as it ever was but now its violent beyond belief.

There have been many such attacks over the decades - some "successful" - some foiled. Off hand, I can remember an attack on a school in Russia ten or so years ago and school children were held hostage in Holland in the 1970s - both attacks carried out by terrorist groups.

Ah yes Beslan, where Islamic Terrorists killed 400 including 200 kids and injured a further 700? That's your example that this 'is not unique to Islam'? Nice work.

[Adrian W]

CamMoreRon said:

Adrian W said:

These brave fighters shoot children yet we worry about torturing terrorists and the moral high ground.

Don't you think we should be leading by example though? Especially if we want to be policing the world. How does it look when we interfere in another country, accusing regimes of crimes against humanity, when we are committing some of our own?

Besides, a not insignificant proportion of those "terrorists" we tortured turned out to be innocent. How does that sit with you?

I think we should lead by example, the example being if you commit an atrocity like this we will do something far worse to you (we being whoever police's the world these days)

we are all subject to whatever "they" want us to know or believe, how do we know they were innocent? the paranoia this situation is fueling will only get worse, it could have been wrong place wrong time or no smoke without fire, we will never know the truth.

[TKF]

fblm said:

Eric Mc said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

Eric Mc said:

I don't understand it either - but if someone decides that a particular group is "the enemy", then any atrocity becomes legitimised in their mind. It's not unique to Islam.

What other cases of mass slaughter of Children comes to mind.
The world may be as mad as it ever was but now its violent beyond belief.

There have been many such attacks over the decades - some "successful" - some foiled. Off hand, I can remember an attack on a school in Russia ten or so years ago and school children were held hostage in Holland in the 1970s - both attacks carried out by terrorist groups.

Ah yes Beslan, where Islamic Terrorists killed 400 including 200 kids and injured a further 700? That's your example that this 'is not unique to Islam'? Nice work.

I think the point he's trying to make is that in Beslan was about Chechnya wanting to be independent. As with today's case in Peshawar and in much of the Middle East it's a tribal issue, not a religious one. If Muslims are killing Muslims how can Islam be the driving force?

[grand cherokee]

CamMoreRon said:

Quite.

How would you feel if you were bagged up and bundled off by the CIA tomorrow, then detained and questioned for a year of your life while subject to confinement in a wooden box barely big enough for your to fit inside, waterboarded, and have food and drink pumped up your a**e? Would you be angry about it? Would you feel an injustice? Or would you shrug and say "Well I suppose my suffering was necessary for the greater good!" How would your friends feel about it.. or your family? Would they want justice?

Not that this attack was in any way, shape, or form, related to the CIA or indeed the West. This is a conflict between two factions of Islam that has been going on for millennia. Let's not forget that Christianity has also had its fair share of those..

you really need to wake up and smell the coffee - you also know nothing about 'enhanced interrogation'

cannot say what I really feel as I'd be banned from the forum

and this attack is nothing to do with Shia/Sunni - and certainly not millennia - you really should read up on the history of Islam before posting ste?

Edited by grand cherokee on Tuesday 16th December 13:30

[croyde]

The people of that sad region just do not savour life as much as we do. The problem is that they all believe there is a better place to go. I suppose you have to believe that if you are brought up in a st hole.

The fighters are so brave aren't they, so macho, so butch. Must feel some compassion for the Taleban when faced with small school children.

As another poster said, can't we lob all our nuclear weapons into their areas and then build a big wall around it and just let them get on with it

Surely the Pakistanis must unite to destroy this scum on their doorstep.

[CamMoreRon]

Adrian W said:

I think we should lead by example, the example being if you commit an atrocity like this we will do something far worse to you (we being whoever police's the world these days)

So 9-11 was a justified act WRT the atrocities we had committed in the ME prior to it?

The problem with that idea is that you get locked in to a spiral of endless retaliation. The answer to an attack on a handful of innocent people (for example yesterday in Australia) is not to go and carpet bomb the Middle East, wiping out millions of innocent people. The survivors will justifiably seek revenge, and the cycle perpetuates. Of course the same also applies to attacks on the West and us seeking revenge.

As an aside, this particular atrocity was Muslim-on-Muslim and has nothing to do with us.

[Adrian W]

LBC just reported that one of the teachers was set on fire in front of the children.

Nutters

[2013BRM]

I find this an odd policy by these child murdering pricks, they are generating hatred on a massive scale from those they would surely wish to indoctrinate?

Edited by 2013BRM on Tuesday 16th December 14:06

[Erudite geezer]

Another low point for human civilisation.

Cannot even begin to think what the families of these kids are going through.

[anonymous-user]

TKF said:

I think the point he's trying to make is that in Beslan was about Chechnya wanting to be independent.

I understand the point he was trying to make but Beslan was a pretty fvcking daft example. Suggest you read up about it. Suicide bomb vests and dead men switches with a goal of mass murder suicide... the hallmarks of seperatist rebels or islamic terrorism?

TKF said:

If Muslims are killing Muslims how can Islam be the driving force?

You can't be serious!

[Jonsnow606]

I'm not for a second justifying what's just happened, but we need to remember what they, the taliban/Al qaeda/isis may have seen/be through with their own people, majority being from little villages/towns in Afghanistan (they aren't born terrorists!),... There must be things going as we speak that is enough to recruit more and more of their people to join them and become 'terrorists'!?

It's uneducated people that are cut off from the world, no tv' s, no Internet. All they know is what they've seen. It must be desperate measures to justify blowing yourselves up to kill others, and probably the only way they know how to retaliate.

A lot of their innocent people will have been killed, especially over the past 10 years, I can imagine in their heads what they've gone is completely justified.
Probably a drop in the ocean of how many of their people have been killed.

[unseen]

If this doesn't provoke all out war on these groups in Pakistan nothing will. Heartbreaking to think of these little kids being mowed down by these animals..

[Blackpuddin]

Jonsnow606 said:

It's uneducated people that are cut off from the world

I agree that objective education is the ultimate answer. Judging by some of the bonkers/racist comments on this thread a bit more of that wouldn't go amiss in our own country.

[The Restorer]

croyde said:

Surely the Pakistanis must unite to destroy this scum on their doorstep.

@croyde - they have been fighting these scum as part of operation zarb-e-azab. The Pakistan defence forces and their families are the victims of most of the terrorist attacks in the country and so have a pretty good reason to want to see the end of this warped ideology. They are supported by 99% of people in Pakistan too.

Edited by eybic on Tuesday 16th December 15:06

[joe_90]

[Blackpuddin]

These are the scum being referred to, gathering at a blood bank in Peshawar to donate.

[onyx39]

I like to think that the scum comments are from the minority.

[blindswelledrat]

onyx39 said:

I like to think that the scum comments are from the minority.

Indeed.
Ironically, people who paint a population with such a broad brush of hate are exactly the same as the extremists they are decrying.

As an aside, witnessing Grand Cherokees posts in the past makes me conclude that he is mentally ill so I see him as more akin to the Syndey Terrorist yesterday.

[johnxjsc1985]

I knew we would get away from the truth and get bogged down in the same old stuff,
We should just see this is the slaughter of innocent Children who cares what religion is at the heart of it.
Its a very difficult area and its about to get worse and even more will die.
We don't seem to learn from these tragedies do we.