Queen to abdicate?
Discussion
McWigglebum4th said:
Breadvan72 said:
History sells, and you don't need an actual living monarch to sell tickets for the heritage
So we are going to kill the current lot then?Otherwise they will still be living
I'm firmly with BV, but it's all hypothetical as most people don't give a s
t and some actually like the idea.Yup, and I add that it's way down the list of important stuff to worry about.
Offing the monarch was a popular pastime in various centuries past, but doing this tended to involve ancillary strife and mayhem. There could be some reality TV value in having tumbrils and guillotines and a vox pop on who gets chopped first. Pippa Middleton could relaunch her career (again) by doing the commentary. Good telly, but probably against the law, or something, so maybe some snags there. Better to pension them off, I suppose, albeit less fun.
Offing the monarch was a popular pastime in various centuries past, but doing this tended to involve ancillary strife and mayhem. There could be some reality TV value in having tumbrils and guillotines and a vox pop on who gets chopped first. Pippa Middleton could relaunch her career (again) by doing the commentary. Good telly, but probably against the law, or something, so maybe some snags there. Better to pension them off, I suppose, albeit less fun.
Breadvan72 said:
Yup, and I add that it's way down the list of important stuff to worry about.
Offing the monarch was a popular pastime in various centuries past, but doing this tended to involve ancillary strife and mayhem. There could be some reality TV value in having tumbrils and guillotines and a vox pop on who gets chopped first. Pippa Middleton could relaunch her career (again) by doing the commentary. Good telly, but probably against the law, or something, so maybe some snags there. Better to pension them off, I suppose, albeit less fun.
How's about we shoot all the lawyers first...?Offing the monarch was a popular pastime in various centuries past, but doing this tended to involve ancillary strife and mayhem. There could be some reality TV value in having tumbrils and guillotines and a vox pop on who gets chopped first. Pippa Middleton could relaunch her career (again) by doing the commentary. Good telly, but probably against the law, or something, so maybe some snags there. Better to pension them off, I suppose, albeit less fun.
Can't see what's broken with the current system of monarchy myself, if Charlie steps outside of his remit when he accedes the throne fair enough, but that's not yet known., but I suspect that he may try his best to undermine the role and be that last Monarch. In a perverse way I like the idea that the monarch doesn't have voters to please it allows for decisions and guidance to be made for the right reasons, not chasing votes......
I'd sooner we get the state machinery smaller than it currently is, that costs far far more than the monarchy. I'd start by dropping the amount of MP's down to 300 seats, likewise same amount for the upper house. However it would have no political appointments, it would be an elected upper house, with those selected to stand because they are not professional politicians, to allow for a balance to be had., also make the minimum age for all MP's in the upper and lower houses 40/50, by then there is a chance they might have some life skills.......
I'd sooner we get the state machinery smaller than it currently is, that costs far far more than the monarchy. I'd start by dropping the amount of MP's down to 300 seats, likewise same amount for the upper house. However it would have no political appointments, it would be an elected upper house, with those selected to stand because they are not professional politicians, to allow for a balance to be had., also make the minimum age for all MP's in the upper and lower houses 40/50, by then there is a chance they might have some life skills.......
HarryW said:
allows for decisions and guidance to be made for the right reasons, not chasing votes......
How does that work then?One of Charles's mentors was Jimmy Savile. He is on the record as wanting to be a tampon for a particularly angry growler.
But his mum and dad are top of the posh tree so he gets the job?
Load of old b
ks if you ask me.Pommygranite said:
I can't understand why everyone hates Charles so much.
He's not a 2014 twitter generation poster boy but he actually seems to care about national matters and points of personal interest such as architecture and farming.
He was all right, albeit a bit eccentric, when he was talking to plants, but he's now shown himself to be open to influence without using his brain.He's not a 2014 twitter generation poster boy but he actually seems to care about national matters and points of personal interest such as architecture and farming.
His environmentalist friend, the Hon. Sir Jonathon Espie Porritt, 2nd Baronet, CBE, failed barrister and erstwhile grammar school English teacher, has convinced him that the man made global warming myth is not a myth.
Now Chuck makes speeches about saving the planet.
So now he's deluded as well as eccentric and needs to be locked in a cupboard until he comes to his senses.
Ayahuasca said:
Why do we need a 'head of state' anyway? Plenty of countries have an executive leader, and no separate 'head of state' above them.
Very few "decent" countries do. The Prime Minister is fairly busy without having to go all around the world looking vaguely annoyed by things.I'm not a royalist, but a realist. A monarchy costs the UK less to run than we would ever manage for an elected head of state, and for that reason alone I think we should keep the status quo.
Breadvan72 said:
Yup, and I add that it's way down the list of important stuff to worry about.
Offing the monarch was a popular pastime in various centuries past, but doing this tended to involve ancillary strife and mayhem. There could be some reality TV value in having tumbrils and guillotines and a vox pop on who gets chopped first. Pippa Middleton could relaunch her career (again) by doing the commentary. Good telly, but probably against the law, or something, so maybe some snags there. Better to pension them off, I suppose, albeit less fun.
I agree.Offing the monarch was a popular pastime in various centuries past, but doing this tended to involve ancillary strife and mayhem. There could be some reality TV value in having tumbrils and guillotines and a vox pop on who gets chopped first. Pippa Middleton could relaunch her career (again) by doing the commentary. Good telly, but probably against the law, or something, so maybe some snags there. Better to pension them off, I suppose, albeit less fun.
The only thing I'd add is the slight contempt I feel for the forelock-tuggers. The royalty aren't any better or any worse than the average person. What they do isn't particularly difficult and they're pretty well compensated for it. If they disappeared tomorrow (for whatever reason) they wouldn't be missed.
Countdown said:
The royalty ...... What they do isn't particularly difficult
Call me reckless, but I'd risk a little bet that you couldn't cope with it.Countdown said:
If they disappeared tomorrow (for whatever reason) they wouldn't be missed.
I think there's a little bit of inaccuracy creeping in there.mybrainhurts said:
Countdown said:
The royalty ...... What they do isn't particularly difficult
Call me reckless, but I'd risk a little bet that you couldn't cope with it.Not sure what though.
HarryW said:
allows for decisions and guidance to be made for the right reasons, not chasing votes......
What decisions, and what guidance? The Queen has precisely zero decisions of any importance to make. Lots of things are done in her name, but she doesn't decide that those things will be done. When she is told to sign something, she signs it. Anyone who thinks that hard nosed politicians take guidance from a not especially well educated woman who has been paid to go around smiling at people and to read someone else's speeches for several decades is, I suggest, being a tad naive. She might have a few good racing tips, perhaps, and if she has remembered what she learned during the War (when she briefly had a proper job) she might offer some tips on fixing trucks, but she may be a tad out of date on that. It is remarkable that people are so poorly educated about our history and constitution that they believe that the Monarch has any role in government beyond the ceremonial and symbolic.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 20th December 15:52
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