EU - obesity is a disability
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The cause of obesity is indulgence coupled with a slow metabolism coupled with a ban on fat shaming.
In the 80's, this sort of behaviour would be ridiculed.
"Why do you eat so much, Roland?"
These days, the shameless society have a "f
k you, it's my body, I'll do what I want!" attitude. No "yo mama's so fat..." jokes allowed.
A national change in attitude towards fatsters is required but nanny state wants us to be nice, even if it results in a porkchop epidemic.
Nuff said, I'm back off to the Burger and Fries thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
In the 80's, this sort of behaviour would be ridiculed.
"Why do you eat so much, Roland?"
These days, the shameless society have a "f
k you, it's my body, I'll do what I want!" attitude. No "yo mama's so fat..." jokes allowed. A national change in attitude towards fatsters is required but nanny state wants us to be nice, even if it results in a porkchop epidemic.
Nuff said, I'm back off to the Burger and Fries thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Just watching a show on more 4 now about best diets in the world. Nearly all the top diets (as in what people in different countries eat typically) feature lots of meats like fish, fresh veg, whole foods/grains, good/natural oils and fats. Conspicuous by their absence? Processed carbs.
Inuits basically just eat raw meat. Offal, brain, raw straight from the steaming carcass!. They're not fat. Some Italian village up in the hills..lots of veg, oil, fish. Lower cholesterol than even a new born child. France, 2 hour lunches with wine and rich foods like goose liver. Another place where they consume a high proportion of fat from animals and nuts. No reliance on carbs, sugar etc. No fatties.
Iceland apparently has the best diet. Rye bread, fresh fish, skyr, locally produced dairy and meats like lamb. Not a lot of veg in this case.
The problem isn't fat. It isn't meat. It's processed crap full of carbs and sugar that are quick hit, empty calories.
I had a big burger from McDonald's the other day. First time in years. On the menu the burger was nearly 700 calories. I guess the chips would ahve taken it to 1000. Afterwards I genuinely felt like I'd eaten very little. I can see how people put away multiple big Mac's, they don't hit the spot at all. Because they're crap foods.
Inuits basically just eat raw meat. Offal, brain, raw straight from the steaming carcass!. They're not fat. Some Italian village up in the hills..lots of veg, oil, fish. Lower cholesterol than even a new born child. France, 2 hour lunches with wine and rich foods like goose liver. Another place where they consume a high proportion of fat from animals and nuts. No reliance on carbs, sugar etc. No fatties.
Iceland apparently has the best diet. Rye bread, fresh fish, skyr, locally produced dairy and meats like lamb. Not a lot of veg in this case.
The problem isn't fat. It isn't meat. It's processed crap full of carbs and sugar that are quick hit, empty calories.
I had a big burger from McDonald's the other day. First time in years. On the menu the burger was nearly 700 calories. I guess the chips would ahve taken it to 1000. Afterwards I genuinely felt like I'd eaten very little. I can see how people put away multiple big Mac's, they don't hit the spot at all. Because they're crap foods.
Otispunkmeyer said:
<snip>I had a big burger from McDonald's the other day. First time in years. On the menu the burger was nearly 700 calories. I guess the chips would ahve taken it to 1000. Afterwards I genuinely felt like I'd eaten very little. I can see how people put away multiple big Mac's, they don't hit the spot at all. Because they're crap foods.
All fast food makes me hungry shortly after - it's like an addiction B'stard Child said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
<snip>I had a big burger from McDonald's the other day. First time in years. On the menu the burger was nearly 700 calories. I guess the chips would ahve taken it to 1000. Afterwards I genuinely felt like I'd eaten very little. I can see how people put away multiple big Mac's, they don't hit the spot at all. Because they're crap foods.
All fast food makes me hungry shortly after - it's like an addiction dxg said:
B'stard Child said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
<snip>I had a big burger from McDonald's the other day. First time in years. On the menu the burger was nearly 700 calories. I guess the chips would ahve taken it to 1000. Afterwards I genuinely felt like I'd eaten very little. I can see how people put away multiple big Mac's, they don't hit the spot at all. Because they're crap foods.
All fast food makes me hungry shortly after - it's like an addiction Just not one I want to take part in - I actually now can't remember the last time I had a McD or BK
Otispunkmeyer said:
The problem isn't fat. It isn't meat. It's processed crap full of carbs and sugar that are quick hit, empty calories.
Definitely.Following on from previous comments I made about your body will use certain types of (excess) calories, what hope do we have when food companies add sugar to just about anything?
Case in point; I happened to check a packet of plain cooked chicken a while ago. It had added sugar. PLAIN CHICKEN. WITH ADDED SUGAR. Little wonder people have weight issues when the most likely cause of obesity is added to 99% of everything, whether it already contains sugar or not.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Just watching a show on more 4 now about best diets in the world. Nearly all the top diets (as in what people in different countries eat typically) feature lots of meats like fish, fresh veg, whole foods/grains, good/natural oils and fats. Conspicuous by their absence? Processed carbs.
Inuits basically just eat raw meat. Offal, brain, raw straight from the steaming carcass!. They're not fat. Some Italian village up in the hills..lots of veg, oil, fish. Lower cholesterol than even a new born child. France, 2 hour lunches with wine and rich foods like goose liver. Another place where they consume a high proportion of fat from animals and nuts. No reliance on carbs, sugar etc. No fatties.
Iceland apparently has the best diet. Rye bread, fresh fish, skyr, locally produced dairy and meats like lamb. Not a lot of veg in this case.
The problem isn't fat. It isn't meat. It's processed crap full of carbs and sugar that are quick hit, empty calories.
Sometimes called the Stone Age diet or the Paleo diet..... http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Stone_Age_Diet_-_this_i...Inuits basically just eat raw meat. Offal, brain, raw straight from the steaming carcass!. They're not fat. Some Italian village up in the hills..lots of veg, oil, fish. Lower cholesterol than even a new born child. France, 2 hour lunches with wine and rich foods like goose liver. Another place where they consume a high proportion of fat from animals and nuts. No reliance on carbs, sugar etc. No fatties.
Iceland apparently has the best diet. Rye bread, fresh fish, skyr, locally produced dairy and meats like lamb. Not a lot of veg in this case.
The problem isn't fat. It isn't meat. It's processed crap full of carbs and sugar that are quick hit, empty calories.
Supermarkets have a lot to answer for the way they ram every type of crap down your throat at every opportunity, bogof this, half price that, a mountain of crisps and chocolate at the checkouts as you wait in line. When have you ever seen the multi buy deals on veg? Or a stack of apples or bananas at tills?
Aldi and Lidl are 2 that dont promote unhealthy eating in that way and they should be given credit for that. When you are craving something bad and all you can reach for at the tills in their stores is a packet of batteries or a bottle of water you arent going to pick any junk up.
That was one bad habit i had to kick myself, i could never put fuel in my car without grabbing a pack of crisps and a bar of chocolate, almost like driving meant eating mentality. I wasnt fat by any means but my diet was st and i was starting to put on weight. Nippping bad habits and bad routines in the bud were what helped me, even before excercise was added to the mix. Cold Turkey for a bit and your body gets used to it. Now i dont even look at the shelf when i fill up.
Aldi and Lidl are 2 that dont promote unhealthy eating in that way and they should be given credit for that. When you are craving something bad and all you can reach for at the tills in their stores is a packet of batteries or a bottle of water you arent going to pick any junk up.
That was one bad habit i had to kick myself, i could never put fuel in my car without grabbing a pack of crisps and a bar of chocolate, almost like driving meant eating mentality. I wasnt fat by any means but my diet was s
t and i was starting to put on weight. Nippping bad habits and bad routines in the bud were what helped me, even before excercise was added to the mix. Cold Turkey for a bit and your body gets used to it. Now i dont even look at the shelf when i fill up.toasty said:
The cause of obesity is indulgence coupled with a slow metabolism coupled with a ban on fat shaming.
In the 80's, this sort of behaviour would be ridiculed.
"Why do you eat so much, Roland?"
These days, the shameless society have a "fk you, it's my body, I'll do what I want!" attitude. No "yo mama's so fat..." jokes allowed.
A national change in attitude towards fatsters is required but nanny state wants us to be nice, even if it results in a porkchop epidemic.
Nuff said, I'm back off to the Burger and Fries thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Models are also shamed for being thin, or having a beach body....but show us a fat model and the press/TV rejoice.In the 80's, this sort of behaviour would be ridiculed.
"Why do you eat so much, Roland?"
These days, the shameless society have a "f
k you, it's my body, I'll do what I want!" attitude. No "yo mama's so fat..." jokes allowed. A national change in attitude towards fatsters is required but nanny state wants us to be nice, even if it results in a porkchop epidemic.
Nuff said, I'm back off to the Burger and Fries thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Fastpedeller said:
I know I shouldn't say this on PH, but the cause of obesity is cars!
As the obese get fatter, walking or cycling will use more energy (due to moving the greater mass), so it overcomes the problem more and more.
Job done, the solution is to use the legs God gave us, and avoid the use of vehicles which don't use human energy to propel them.
Happy New Year!
As the obese get fatter, walking or cycling will use more energy (due to moving the greater mass), so it overcomes the problem more and more.
Job done, the solution is to use the legs God gave us, and avoid the use of vehicles which don't use human energy to propel them.
Happy New Year!
A Big Mac meal is over 1300 Kcal. Many hours walking or cycling to get rid of that.
Viable exercise isn’t going to counter overeating or a poor diet.
REALIST123 said:
A Big Mac meal is over 1300 Kcal. Many hours walking or cycling to get rid of that.
Viable exercise isn’t going to counter overeating or a poor diet.
If I nip in to town for a bit of shopping, the time I'm likely to have some fast food, I burn about 500-600 calories doing it. A KFC zinger tower meal is about 1000 calories, so it's the equivalent a of a <500 calorie meal.
anonymous said:
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This. You can’t magic energy (fat) from thin air. It can only come from taking in more than you burn. Now there are complicated ins and outs about how people burn stuff and what foods are better from you, but if you want to lose weight, the only thing that is certain is that if you burn more than you consume, you 100% will.
otolith said:
Centurion07 said:
otolith said:
If I remember correctly the horror of the biochemistry lectures shoehorned into my degree, amino acids from excess protein are deaminated and the remaining carbon chain is either immediately fed to cellular respiration or is (depending on structure and current metabolic need) converted to glucose, glycogen or fatty acids.
Now in english please.... 
Our knowledge about gluconeogenesis has improved over the interim, right?
grumbledoak said:
Super. The government can indeed "impact our food environment through regulation and taxation". It already has. Google beach pics from the 1970s. These people didn't know what a gym was, they weren't doing triathlon at the weekends, and they weren't all working down the mines, but they were almost all thin. Then came government health guidelines, imported form the US. It's been a spectacular disaster, so they are going to do what they always do when they are at fault - blame the public for not following the guidelines, and double down on them.
In the 70's people generally had less disposable income, more active lifestyles (more manual jobs and less watching TV), and less access to junk food. I'd have thought the biggest government impact has been increasing minimum wage and planning permission for supermarkets and fast food places. Which guidelines do you think have increased obesity?RizzoTheRat said:
Which guidelines do you think have increased obesity?
Just off the top of my head we have had:Salt is bad
Cholesterol is bad
Saturated fat is bad
Polyunsaturated fats are good
Meat is bad
Fruit and veg is good
We can see from the totals consumed per person that people have been following the advice.
And they would have been better off doing the exact opposites!
anonymous said:
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I had a bit of a health problem and had to give up cycling. The weight piled on despite me going to the gym 3x a week. I cut my intake of food by a considerable degree but it seemed to make no difference. I put on a bit over 5 stone and even dieting to a reasonable amount did not reduce my weight; it, merely stopped me putting it on. I have a back problem and this limited my ability to exercise. The weight piled on. Then I found I had borderline hypothyroidism. It is very difficult to remove weight with this defect. The simple answer is simple because it ignores the fact that one has to maintain a healthy diet.
My levels have increased slightly and last test they are above the border. Testing again next week.
I'm dropping weight, ever so slowly. I'm hungry all the time. I haven't had a take-away for over 6 years. Processed food is a no-no. I have infrequent meals out.
I'm not clinically obese, but merely overweight. Yet I reckon I eat bugger all.
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