EU - obesity is a disability

[garagewidow]

I find my clothes are a good indicator of putting on weight.if I have to let the belt out a hole I will cut out certain things like the mid morning biscuit at work or whatever.

My MIL is having mobility issues yet she still insists on a 3 meal a day lifestyle(oh,and consuming large quantities of cheese in the evening)trouble is it becomes a vicious circle.

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

garyhun said:

What’s the saying? “You can’t outrun a Mars bar”.

You can. But unless you really like running, or really like Mars bars, it's not worth it.

It’s just a saying, you pedant

I really can’t outrun one as my knees would not cope. Could out-row one though

[billshoreham]

[quote=Yazar]This is why Britain needs to leave the EU, we just have more common sense....

really?

[anonymous-user]

billshoreham]azar said:

This is why Britain needs to leave the EU, we just have more common sense....

really?

Yeah, them Frenchies have no idea

[Mistryride]

p1stonhead said:

Until you start logging calories religiously and I mean EVERYTHING, I bet most people have no idea. It was certainly a ridiculous eye opener for me certainly.

Most people don't seem to log alcohol either, watch it rocket up when you do that.

[otolith]

garyhun said:

otolith said:

garyhun said:

What’s the saying? “You can’t outrun a Mars bar”.

You can. But unless you really like running, or really like Mars bars, it's not worth it.

It’s just a saying, you pedant

I really can’t outrun one as my knees would not cope. Could out-row one though

It's a fair point, that it's a lot easier to not eat something than to work it off. But 230 kcals in a 55g bar, so running two or three miles would do the trick.

But personally I hate running (as do my knees) and I'm not keen on Mars Bars, so screw that!

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

garyhun said:

otolith said:

garyhun said:

What’s the saying? “You can’t outrun a Mars bar”.

You can. But unless you really like running, or really like Mars bars, it's not worth it.

It’s just a saying, you pedant

I really can’t outrun one as my knees would not cope. Could out-row one though

It's a fair point, that it's a lot easier to not eat something than to work it off. But 230 kcals in a 55g bar, so running two or three miles would do the trick.

But personally I hate running (as do my knees) and I'm not keen on Mars Bars, so screw that!

On a serious note, it is amazing the number of people who believe you can lose weight just by doing some exercise. They seem to believe that what goes in the mouth is totally irrelevant.

[Nickgnome]

garyhun said:

On a serious note, it is amazing the number of people who believe you can lose weight just by doing some exercise. They seem to believe that what goes in the mouth is totally irrelevant.

Depends how much exercise in my late 30s - early 40s i was consuming over 4,000 calls a day i never exceeded 71kg, 178cm. Tall. 60 miles running + 5 hours gym per week though.

[Mothersruin]

Program on Ch4 called 'Secret Eaters'.

Without fail, the subjects think they're eating 'normal' amounts, say 2-2,500 calories a day , and when it gets totted up, they're often packing away closer to 4k or 5k

Random one on YT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxiafGoxZOQ

[Halb]

garyhun said:

billshoreham]azar said:

This is why Britain needs to leave the EU, we just have more common sense....

really?

Yeah, them Frenchies have no idea

[272BHP]

I think people who calorie count or measure exercise in terms of calories burnt have really lost the battle before it even starts. Effort and performance should be measured above all else. No-one really knows all the interactions between hormones, gut health and diet and exercise in individuals so it is best just to eat well and train hard and listen to the body.

There are loads of different types of hormones and they affect everything. A soldier in basic training will be eating an unholy amount of food during the day and will be stuffing their faces with junk food all night and without exception everyone of them will have lost weight throughout the length of basic training.

Train hard, eat good food, rest well. Gentle tweaking of those 3 factors will get any reasonably healthy individual where they want to be.

[Halb]

272BHP said:

I think people who calorie count or measure exercise in terms of calories burnt have really lost the battle before it even starts. Effort and performance should be measured above all else. No-one really knows all the interactions between hormones, gut health and diet and exercise in individuals so it is best just to eat well and train hard and listen to the body.

There are loads of different types of hormones and they affect everything. A soldier in basic training will be eating an unholy amount of food during the day and will be stuffing their faces with junk food all night and without exception everyone of them will have lost weight throughout the length of basic training.

Train hard, eat good food, rest well. Gentle tweaking of those 3 factors will get any reasonably healthy individual where they want to be.

yars

[anonymous-user]

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

On a serious note, it is amazing the number of people who believe you can lose weight just by doing some exercise. They seem to believe that what goes in the mouth is totally irrelevant.

Depends how much exercise in my late 30s - early 40s i was consuming over 4,000 calls a day i never exceeded 71kg, 178cm. Tall. 60 miles running + 5 hours gym per week though.

I did end with “They seem to believe that what goes in the mouth is totally irrelevant“.

[otolith]

Some people need numbers. Others don’t. Certainly some appreciation that an hour in the gym isn’t going to fix a 1000 calorie surplus would help many people stop wasting their time.

[p1stonhead]

otolith said:

Some people need numbers. Others don’t. Certainly some appreciation that an hour in the gym isn’t going to fix a 1000 calorie surplus would help many people stop wasting their time.

Yep. I’ve been with people go to the gym then go out and have beers and some sort of pub snack in the evening. Utterly pointless and these were not people smashing out marathon sessions at the gym. They were on a treadmill for a bit etc. One beer wiped it out easily.

[Derek Smith]

RB Will said:

j_4m said:

Derek Smith said:

I'm not clinically obese, but merely overweight. Yet I reckon I eat bugger all.

Track your calories for a week, you may be surprised.

As a side thought, you don't mention what you drink? guessing you avoid the obvious stuff like Coke but do you have a beer / cider / wine with dinner as they contain more calories than people think. about 120 calories for glass of wine, 150-200 for a can / bottle of beer/ cider.
You may as well just eat a Mars bar.

Also some fruit squashes contain a ridiculous amount of sugar so if you have moved from fizzy to squash its worth checking too.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I am tee-total. I take no milk with my tea although I do indulge in one latte a day. If I have a second coffee, it is an Americano. I have one chocolate a week and a bacon sarnie once a fortnight when my club's playing at home. (You would not believe how good it tastes.) I lose a little, not much, but it is consistent. Cheese is a battle I sometimes lose. I have low blood sugar at times. It's not bad and I can feel it coming on. I eat a sugary sweet to counter it. If I eat more than two a month, it's been a bad one.

After not losing weight, I went to a dietitian. She works for the NHS but she did things on the side, so to speak. I followed what she told me and after two months she more or less accused me of going outside what she dictated (as if. She can be quite intimidating). I convinced her that, if anything, I'd eaten less than directed and she sent me to my doctor. I had a blood test and was told I was under the accepted limit and I was drifting into hypothyroidism. Further tests show that the readings are improving slightly so I get no treatment.

This Christmas I will have put on a couple of pounds or so. It will take me three months for it to go.

I know it is a simple enough case of balancing, but my dietitian is very firm on healthy eating. You have to have a balanced diet I'm told. I expect to grow gills before I'm back under 15-stone, courtesy of my diet.

I'm 6'3" and I've got thighs that strain jeans. When I cycled, around 200 miles a week outside of winter, I was about 13-stone with the occasional adventure into 13 and a half during the early months when there were frosts which made cycling dangerous. When I had to give that up I felt sorry for myself and did bugger all. I put on a couple of stone. Then I had real, five-week flu, and I was up to 18 stone within a couple of months of it ending. I think there's a connection between it and the low reading. I've had flu twice in the last couple of years, losing little weight in the process. I went nearly a week without eating and when I weighed myself, I was about the same as before. I was very bitter about that. I started a thread on PH.

I've had the time and the resources to work out why I was putting on weight. I think many people might start ballooning and, having to go to work each day, grab some food during lunch, send out for a take-away when having to work late, and just having half a dozen pints during the week, will think they don't eat much. Their mates, doing exactly the same, would maintain their normal weight.

I go to the gym three times a week. I exercise twice a day at home. I eat little, drink nothing and unless it has curdled, I do little with dairy. Yet I'm overweight.

I know it is not much there to bother someone in the third world, but I do feel picked on when, after a week of turning down food I love, my weight hasn't changed. I'm just some fat bd without self control to most people.

[272BHP]

Derek do you know the results of your thyroid tests? this is a subject that I have studied a lot recently as I am still fighting my corner with the NHS with regards my blood markers.

My advice is don't trust what one doctor tells you. If your thyroid is out of whack (and it can be really out of whack before you fall outside the recently revised NHS guidelines) then you will have great difficulty controlling weight.

[Derek Smith]

272BHP said:

Derek do you know the results of your thyroid tests? this is a subject that I have studied a lot recently as I am still fighting my corner with the NHS with regards my blood markers.

My advice is don't trust what one doctor tells you. If your thyroid is out of whack (and it can be really out of whack before you fall outside the recently revised NHS guidelines) then you will have great difficulty controlling weight.

I'm going on the 7th of this month for some feedback. I had the blood test today.

The doctor reckoned that I was borderline and that I should be monitored. The graph he pointed to showed me as under the line, but only just. But without knowing the scale, it means little. I asked him about weight loss and he said I would find it difficult to lose weight as if this was news to me. I've lost about 3lb in the last 3 months and this coincides with the slight improvement in my readings. The treatment can be quite invasive I'm told and I'm happy at the moment to watch what happens.

I feel a bit more alert.

I've gone on some of the self help forums and there's a fair bit about these 'revisions' to the guidelines but I'm not too sure what the problems are.

I have an annual blood test at my surgery. I was a bit miffed that the low readings hadn't been picked up and it took my dietitian's concerns to discover it.

[J4CKO]

I take 100 mg of Thyroxine a day, have done for several years now, I think it can be a bit of a red herring, it doesnt help obviously but its mainly in terms of motivation to exercise, I managed to lose weight quite easily pre diagnosis and post but its my "pieroid" gland that is the problem for me, showing pies in my face, I just need to put my mind to it and be rigorous and it comes off.

[Derek Smith]

J4CKO said:

I take 100 mg of Thyroxine a day, have done for several years now, I think it can be a bit of a red herring, it doesnt help obviously but its mainly in terms of motivation to exercise, I managed to lose weight quite easily pre diagnosis and post but its my "pieroid" gland that is the problem for me, showing pies in my face, I just need to put my mind to it and be rigorous and it comes off.

Thanks for the post.

Every solution seems to require extra effort nowadays. I yearn for the years when just a pill did the trick.

Best of luck.