EU - obesity is a disability

[dudleybloke]

You can eat as much sugar and junk as you want if your willing to sweat the lard out.
No amount of diet advice, nutritional information or nanny state bullying will have any effect till people stop being lazy.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Purity14 said:

Id hardly call it a disability.
It is an addiction.
They are addicted to sugar and the convenience of fast food.
This includes food in supermarkets labeled as healthy when it is actually just as bad.

Eg:
Dolmio Bolognese Original Sauce 500g = (0.6g fat) + 29.5g of sugar (7.3 teaspoons of sugar)
Dolmio Bolognese Low Fat Original Sauce 500g = (0.1g fat) 21g of sugar. (5.25 teaspoons of sugar)

These aren't even the worst culprits, look at "Old el Paso Fajita Mix" - for every 100g of the product, it contains 54g of sugar!
What is all that about?

The problem is, if you told these fatty-bum-bums to create a healthy dish from scratch and showed them how to do it, the following would result:

Day 1: Cry because they are fat and want to loose weight, and decide to man-up and create the meal from scratch.
Day 2: Can't spend time making the meal, because they need their sugar fix as fast as possible.
Day 3+: Can't see instant weight loss and the craving for sugar get greater, experience sugar withdrawal symptoms, then begin creating excuses for eating sugary foods again.

Take away the sugar, and they will lose weight, they need to be treated as someone with a drug addiction.

Its always been sugar... everything in the shops is labelled fat free, but to be honest fat isnt the problem, its the mountains of sugar!

[PopsandBangs]

... as an addition to my pount about dopamine on the previous page, and its pretty much total responsibility for obesity, the most fascinating and illustrative research i've read on the matter involved a test where scientists destroyed the dopamine producing neurons in the brains of a group of rats. After this, they did no seek food whatsoever. Despite having food places next to them, i.e within one inch, they starved to death. However when force fed, they chewed and went "through the motions" of eating, swallowing amd digesting.

They did not seek food at all.

Obesity is the result of an addiction, one that many people have fallen into in modern times because of the availablity of sweet, crap food.

Its why everyone is glued to their phones-we are all stuck in the dopamine loop because social networking/24 hour news/instant information fuels it.

Things are meant ti be scarce and require drive, then effort, to obtain them. Our brains havent evolved enough to resist.

Honestly, and while its probably not healthy to think about it too much, dopamine is probably... not the "meaning" of life, but the very cause and effect of it

[Otispunkmeyer]

Purity14 said:

alock said:

Purity14 said:

These aren't even the worst culprits, look at "Old el Paso Fajita Mix" - for every 100g of the product, it contains 54g of sugar!
What is all that about?

Do you mean this? http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id...

The 35g packet of spice mix that contains 2.4g of sugar which is 0.6g per portion?

Yes, for every 100g of that product, it contains 54g of sugar.

The 35g packet of spice contains 19.2g of sugar.

19.2 is then divided by 8 portions giving you 2.4g of sugar per portion.

So 4x more sugar than you calculated?

You aren't alone, labels vs portion sizes are the problem. They are deliberately misleading.

Breakfast Cereals are the famous one, with the ridiculously small portion sizes - so that the nutritional value section has low sugar counts.

yep a 30 g serving of crunchy nut is just about visible in the bottom of the bowl!

[KTF]

dudleybloke said:

You can eat as much sugar and junk as you want if your willing to sweat the lard out.
No amount of diet advice, nutritional information or nanny state bullying will have any effect till people stop being lazy.

This. In order for them to lose the weight, first they must want to lose it. You can tell someone until you are blue in the face but if they don't actually have the motivation to do it then nothing will happen.

Some people are still alarmingly oblivious to whats in the food they are eating as well i.e. the 'diet' stuff being not very different from the non-diet stuff for example as already posted.

[BoRED S2upid]

Yazar said:

off course being huge will hinder you against a more normal person

Edited by Yazar on Thursday 18th December 14:28

Prevents discrimination on the grounds of obesity so if he got fatter still and couldn't get behind the wheel
They would have to build him a new bus with an extra big chair? Maybe a winch to get him into it? They couldn't sack him because he was so fat.

Whatever next obese policemen wobbling after criminals because the police force can't sack them for being too fat to run?

[Digga]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Its always been sugar... everything in the shops is labelled fat free, but to be honest fat isnt the problem, its the mountains of sugar!

Yep. There is now plenty of documentary evidence illustrating this point, but still the mindless, grazing herds manage to avoid or ignore it.

And yet, if you talk to someone whose career depends on fitness and being lean (note, not anorexic) - dancers, models, athletes - they all will mostly eat relatively normally with the exception of deserts. Sweets, chocolates and puddings are deadly, especially for fatties. Alcohol is not much better either.

[Thankyou4calling]

Purity14 said:

No, that is not necessarily true; Unless you are being ridiculous in your quantity sizes of course.

For example:

1000 calories of chocolate, crisps and cake
vs
1000 calories of raspberrys, strawberries, blackberrys, almonds, cashews etc.

Which one will make you fatter?

Neither will.

1000 calories is 1000 calories whether you consume it in fish n chips or vegetables and salad.

Its a simple equation, if calories in exceeds calories out you'll get fatter, makes no odds where those calories come from.

[Digga]

Thankyou4calling said:

1000 calories is 1000 calories whether you consume it in fish n chips or vegetables and salad.

In aggregate terms yes, but the body deposits/stores calories and/or processes and utilises the energy differently, depending on their origination.

If you can, watch or read up on that excellent BBC Horizon documentary with the twin doctors who did the fat vs. sugar for more detail.

Edited by Digga on Thursday 18th December 16:39

[Yazar]

Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin. Series: UCSF Mini Medical School for the Public

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

[Sticks.]

Yazar said:

Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin. Series: UCSF Mini Medical School for the Public

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

I'm goint to listen to this in full, thanks. But first impressions are that this sort of thing is part of the peoblem - the constantly changing advice on what consititutes a healthy diet, with one thing being 'the answer'. First impressions, as I say.

That being said, those at the morbidly obese end of the scale aren't listening to anything.

As a disabled person (or is that person with disabilities....?) who doesnt walk well, it pisses me off when I see people who walk as badly as me simply because of their weight - which is optional (largely).

I think labelling the obese as disabled would further undermine the disabled's status in society.

Imho

[Benbay001]

deltaevo16 said:

One thing that always worries me is that we seem to blame the eater rather than the makers of food. For to long have the food producers got away with this. They use food labelling to hoodwink people

bks.
I do the weekly shopping for my self and managed to stay slim.
I know when ive eaten too much bad stuff and i know when ive eaten good stuff, i can ballance that out.

I sat down when i got home yesterday and ate a whole box of biscuits by myself. Was i worried? No. It was the only sweet thing id eaten in 4 days (other than fruit)
The food companies are blameless. They are out to make money.

[Tannedbaldhead]

Martin4x4 said:

Purity14 said:

The problem is, if you told these fatty-bum-bums to create a healthy dish from scratch and showed them how to do it, the following would result:

It is this sort of mindless bigotry the ruling prevents.

Naeema Choudry says :

[quote]“Today’s decision clarifies that, under the European Equal Treatment Framework Directive, obesity is not always a disability per se, but it is a condition which can give rise to discrimination protection."

The ruling is therefore not some sort of free pass, but it does prevent discrimination on the grounds of obesity, which is entirely sensible. Just like it would be sensible to avoid discriminating against Purity14 et. al. for their ignorance.

Does this mean a chorus of "who ate all the pies" is now a hate crime?

What's the world coming to when you can't call a fat bd a "fat bd".

[otolith]

Black people, disabled people, gay people, fat people - I wonder who will be left upon whom the basic human instinct to be a complete tt to others can be vented? Ginger people?

[mph1977]

McClure said:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30529791

Not helping - they'll get even less exercise now they can park in the disabled spaces at the supermarket to pick up their chocolate & crisps & coke.

Last time I looked at the actual rules, having a health condition where the disability discrimination provisions of Equality legislation applied didn;t pass port to a blue badge

Higher rate mobility (DLA?war Pension /PIP) is the only 'passport' to a blue badge ...

now why don't you run along and let the grown ups talk aobut this sensibly.

[mph1977]

Martin4x4 said:

Purity14 said:

The problem is, if you told these fatty-bum-bums to create a healthy dish from scratch and showed them how to do it, the following would result:

It is this sort of mindless bigotry the ruling prevents.

Naeema Choudry says :

[quote]“Today’s decision clarifies that, under the European Equal Treatment Framework Directive, obesity is not always a disability per se, but it is a condition which can give rise to discrimination protection."

The ruling is therefore not some sort of free pass, but it does prevent discrimination on the grounds of obesity, which is entirely sensible. Just like it would be sensible to avoid discriminating against Purity14 et. al. for their ignorance.

exactly

just like someone who has acute flare ups of a chronic condition can be protected under disability discrimination legislation if an employer trys to discipline them or use capability procedure in a onerous way.

[pete a]

PopsandBangs said:

It's not a disease, it's an addiction.

The culprit is and always has been dopamine and the brain's drive/reward "system." Pretty much every single action or thing any of us do in life, apart from maybe sleep, can be traced back to this. Eating food triggers the release of dopamine which feels good and tells you you've done something good for your survival as an animal. Sugary food causes even more. Modern life has such food so easily available that more and more of this can be consumed pretty much as and when we like it. The more you consume, the less sensitised your dopamine receptors become and more is needed to get the same satisfaction.

Cocaine works by keeping more dopamine "free" in the brain to activate the receptors.... which again also become desensitised over time. Its the same with food, sex, money, achievement, excitement, search fro information, social interaction, everything. Its a never ending loop that is pretty much impossible to break without drastic intervention. Pretty much every action you have taken today is due to dopamine and its reward-seek again-reward-seek again cycle.

Little buzz of excitement when you receive a text? Hello dopamine. Couldn't help but look down at that hottie's chest earlier? Hello dopamine. Had one chocolate out of the box, but just had to have another one? Hello dopamine.

Some people are better than others as controlling the instinct.

When you realise and harness those drives, life becomes a lot better

could you be my life coach

[chris watton]

I sate my dopamine levels by buying goodies from my car, and then finding a way of hiding the ever increasing 'stash' in the garage..

Food - I can take it or leave. 16 stone last Christmas - just under 12 stone now. So easy, just make sure you know what you're eating...

[JagLover]

chris watton said:

I sate my dopamine levels by buying goodies from my car, and then finding a way of hiding the ever increasing 'stash' in the garage..

Food - I can take it or leave. 16 stone last Christmas - just under 12 stone now. So easy, just make sure you know what you're eating...

Impressive

Any special exercise regime?

[chris watton]

JagLover said:

Impressive

Any special exercise regime?

I started a better diet and weight training back in May (In my garage, didn't spend too much to begin with), after looking at a recent pic of myself (quite shocking). I figured that if I don't do something now (47), I never will. The web app My Fitness Pal is a good source for keeping track and calorie intake, I am on around 1250-1400 calories per day. (That's the equivalent of just over one medium sized Good fellas pepperoni Pizza!)

The main bulk of the diet costs me little more than £5 per day from Lidl, and I buy no special 'diet' food (apart from the whey protein for training)

Edited by chris watton on Friday 19th December 08:47