Paedophile ring - military, law enforcement, political fig
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Butler-Sloss does have a point, although that alone goes nowhere near making her suitable for the job.
Armchair critics are great at finding fault but slightly useless at replacing the object of their criticism.
Without insider knowledge how would anybody achieve pre-eminence in the minefield they would be likely to encounter? It's not a D-I-Y picnic and considerable skills will be required to achieve a result, those skills only realistically available to very few. Given the current political landscape maybe it is, after all, not a bad thing if the enquiry is delayed until after the election. With the way the election seems likely to go, a minority party holding sway, at least there may be someone of experience and worthy of trust available.
Armchair critics are great at finding fault but slightly useless at replacing the object of their criticism.
Without insider knowledge how would anybody achieve pre-eminence in the minefield they would be likely to encounter? It's not a D-I-Y picnic and considerable skills will be required to achieve a result, those skills only realistically available to very few. Given the current political landscape maybe it is, after all, not a bad thing if the enquiry is delayed until after the election. With the way the election seems likely to go, a minority party holding sway, at least there may be someone of experience and worthy of trust available.
Edited by Thorodin on Thursday 1st January 13:51
Martin4x4 said:
There does need to be an independent inquiry, however she is correct, allowing victims to choose the chair would be asinine, it would not be independent. It would be a vendetta/witch-hunt and not the pursuit of justice.
It's not exactly independent or neutral having someone connected or friends with someone, who is likely to be targeted by the inquiry either.MarshPhantom said:
eccles said:
Martin4x4 said:
There does need to be an independent inquiry, however she is correct, allowing victims to choose the chair would be asinine, it would not be independent. It would be a vendetta/witch-hunt and not the pursuit of justice.
It's not exactly independent or neutral having someone connected or friends with someone, who is likely to be targeted by the inquiry either.As far as I'm aware the ones picked by the 'establishment' have all been ruled out for being connected in some way, and the victims have submitted a long list of people they'd be happy with. Meanwhile May dithers on about closing the whole thing down and starting again.
Why does any inquiry have to be run by a somebody with a 'named' title. It seems to me if you have some sort of useless title your free to finance your retirement if you can bag one of these bulls
t inquiries. The country is full of millions of people who would be suitable. Why not somebody of an ex police background, without any connections to the higher echelons?I can only think that there are people who are scared that to many of the right questions will get asked and for once a job will get done properly.
1. It had already been reported that May is considering making it a Statutory Inquiry with greater powers.
2. Why does May or the Home Office need to select someone? Why can't it be advertised and the most suitable applicant(s) chosen for the role?
3. Some have suggested in the Paedofinder General thread that surely someone from abroad could be recruited for the role. That a foreigner could be assigned the task has been mooted in the Press and I think by May herself.
So it doesn't need to be part of the British 'establishment'.
4. Just as any findings may be unhelpful to the three main parties before the election, it could be thought that giving Woolf her New Year's Honour now, rather than next year could be seen as a two fingered salute to those that are unimpressed with how it's been dealt with before a General Election.
5. Regarding criticism of Woolf's New Year Honour, she didn't tell the truth and it was shown that the Home Office were helping her with her submissions about her meetings and relationship with the Brittans. Her independence and impartiality were in doubt.
6. How does this mess, basically repeating what the problem was with Butler-Sloss by selecting Woolf, compare with the chicanery pulled by May to deny parliament a proper debate on the European Arrest Warrant? It could seem a trend of doing dodgy or dubious things because the rules allow it? A bit like used car warranty insurance policies having pages of small print.
7. Has May released all the reports by John Vine QPM Independent Inspector of Immigration, or she still sitting on them and playing technicalities to keep them out of the public domain? Where does that sit with her European Arrest Warrant Stunt and the mess of appointing Butler-Closed-Shop and then Fiona Woolf?
2. Why does May or the Home Office need to select someone? Why can't it be advertised and the most suitable applicant(s) chosen for the role?
3. Some have suggested in the Paedofinder General thread that surely someone from abroad could be recruited for the role. That a foreigner could be assigned the task has been mooted in the Press and I think by May herself.
So it doesn't need to be part of the British 'establishment'.
4. Just as any findings may be unhelpful to the three main parties before the election, it could be thought that giving Woolf her New Year's Honour now, rather than next year could be seen as a two fingered salute to those that are unimpressed with how it's been dealt with before a General Election.
5. Regarding criticism of Woolf's New Year Honour, she didn't tell the truth and it was shown that the Home Office were helping her with her submissions about her meetings and relationship with the Brittans. Her independence and impartiality were in doubt.
6. How does this mess, basically repeating what the problem was with Butler-Sloss by selecting Woolf, compare with the chicanery pulled by May to deny parliament a proper debate on the European Arrest Warrant? It could seem a trend of doing dodgy or dubious things because the rules allow it? A bit like used car warranty insurance policies having pages of small print.
7. Has May released all the reports by John Vine QPM Independent Inspector of Immigration, or she still sitting on them and playing technicalities to keep them out of the public domain? Where does that sit with her European Arrest Warrant Stunt and the mess of appointing Butler-Closed-Shop and then Fiona Woolf?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 1st January 22:17
Thorodin said:
Butler-Sloss does have a point, although that alone goes nowhere near making her suitable for the job.
Armchair critics are great at finding fault but slightly useless at replacing the object of their criticism.
Without insider knowledge how would anybody achieve pre-eminence in the minefield they would be likely to encounter? It's not a D-I-Y picnic and considerable skills will be required to achieve a result, those skills only realistically available to very few. Given the current political landscape maybe it is, after all, not a bad thing if the enquiry is delayed until after the election. With the way the election seems likely to go, a minority party holding sway, at least there may be someone of experience and worthy of trust available.
Therein lies the problem. The 'establishment' is inbred. If we have someone who has a CV that includes some sort of legal basis then we find that they all belong to the same club and frequent each other's houses where they get to meet and fraternise with others who wield power.Armchair critics are great at finding fault but slightly useless at replacing the object of their criticism.
Without insider knowledge how would anybody achieve pre-eminence in the minefield they would be likely to encounter? It's not a D-I-Y picnic and considerable skills will be required to achieve a result, those skills only realistically available to very few. Given the current political landscape maybe it is, after all, not a bad thing if the enquiry is delayed until after the election. With the way the election seems likely to go, a minority party holding sway, at least there may be someone of experience and worthy of trust available.
The skills of chairing an enquiry are not limited to just a few, or rather not the few which the establishment wishes to use. This is a factual, not legal, enquiry and there are many of those in business who spend their day looking into facts.
The chair of an enquiry has a great deal of authority and this stretches to influence on the direction of the investigation. There have been many enquiries where the conclusion has, to say the least, left some holes.
There is no one who is untouchable at the top of this heap. Perhaps the answer is to have a 'to-do' list, prepared and advertised, and all the chair is there to do is stop fights.
If what the rumours say is true as to what positions those involved hold then we can wave goodbye to any targeting of the top bods. But then, that was never going to happen. The only question is how far down into the sinkhole will the enquiry go.
The best that can happen is that those who act as agents to protect the great and the good as they indulge their desires realise that the risk is took great to continue to turn a blind eye. Those in such positions should be rotated so they do not become contaminated. Three years following a cabinet minister around and then three years on earlies, lates an nights. But that won't happen either. Too likely that one of them will discover something nasty and shout about it.
We have to accept that those with power and authority in government, forces, law and police have the perfect excuse for blocking an expose of what actually went on. The only hope, and it is a minuscule one, is to try and change the culture.
I can't see this chap blabbing given his 13 year stretch, or he'll be out in 5?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/23/cha...
Electric Shock Therapy didn't work. Waterboarding?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/23/cha...
Electric Shock Therapy didn't work. Waterboarding?
onyx39 said:
This is going to be massive 
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tens-of-thous...Interesting mention of childrens homes in Notts. given the recent Melanie Shaw case and the Notts. PCC was formerly employed in the social work/childcare part of the Council there.
Derek Smith said:
Thorodin said:
Butler-Sloss does have a point, although that alone goes nowhere near making her suitable for the job.
Armchair critics are great at finding fault but slightly useless at replacing the object of their criticism.
Without insider knowledge how would anybody achieve pre-eminence in the minefield they would be likely to encounter? It's not a D-I-Y picnic and considerable skills will be required to achieve a result, those skills only realistically available to very few. Given the current political landscape maybe it is, after all, not a bad thing if the enquiry is delayed until after the election. With the way the election seems likely to go, a minority party holding sway, at least there may be someone of experience and worthy of trust available.
Therein lies the problem. The 'establishment' is inbred. If we have someone who has a CV that includes some sort of legal basis then we find that they all belong to the same club and frequent each other's houses where they get to meet and fraternise with others who wield power.Armchair critics are great at finding fault but slightly useless at replacing the object of their criticism.
Without insider knowledge how would anybody achieve pre-eminence in the minefield they would be likely to encounter? It's not a D-I-Y picnic and considerable skills will be required to achieve a result, those skills only realistically available to very few. Given the current political landscape maybe it is, after all, not a bad thing if the enquiry is delayed until after the election. With the way the election seems likely to go, a minority party holding sway, at least there may be someone of experience and worthy of trust available.
The skills of chairing an enquiry are not limited to just a few, or rather not the few which the establishment wishes to use. This is a factual, not legal, enquiry and there are many of those in business who spend their day looking into facts.
The chair of an enquiry has a great deal of authority and this stretches to influence on the direction of the investigation. There have been many enquiries where the conclusion has, to say the least, left some holes.
There is no one who is untouchable at the top of this heap. Perhaps the answer is to have a 'to-do' list, prepared and advertised, and all the chair is there to do is stop fights.
If what the rumours say is true as to what positions those involved hold then we can wave goodbye to any targeting of the top bods. But then, that was never going to happen. The only question is how far down into the sinkhole will the enquiry go.
The best that can happen is that those who act as agents to protect the great and the good as they indulge their desires realise that the risk is took great to continue to turn a blind eye. Those in such positions should be rotated so they do not become contaminated. Three years following a cabinet minister around and then three years on earlies, lates an nights. But that won't happen either. Too likely that one of them will discover something nasty and shout about it.
We have to accept that those with power and authority in government, forces, law and police have the perfect excuse for blocking an expose of what actually went on. The only hope, and it is a minuscule one, is to try and change the culture.
This guy lives about five miles from us in the Philippines. I can't work out how he is still even alive. He runs a food/restaurant supply shop called Home Base.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2892279/No...
EXCLUSIVE: Notorious British pervert accused of molesting eight-year-old boys in Philippines faces extradition over child sex offences linked to vile Paedophile Information Exchange group in the 1970s
Douglas Slade, 73 – a founder of the reviled child sex advocacy group Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) – is on police bail after being repeatedly arrested for abusing boys from an elementary school opposite his home in Angeles City in the Philippines.
Wealthy Slade, who has boasted of bribing prosecutors and victims' families, boasted of paying his way out of trouble in the corrupt, poverty-racked Southeast Asian country which is a magnet for paedophiles and sex tourists, our investigation in December found.
Now, Mail Online has discovered that Slade faces possible extradition to the UK as detectives in Bristol investigate him for historical child sex offences linked to a nationwide paedophile network before he left Britain for the Philippines in 1985.
It comes as an alleged former victim of Slade contacted MailOnline to describe how he was molested at the age of 14.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2892279/No...
EXCLUSIVE: Notorious British pervert accused of molesting eight-year-old boys in Philippines faces extradition over child sex offences linked to vile Paedophile Information Exchange group in the 1970s
Douglas Slade, 73 – a founder of the reviled child sex advocacy group Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) – is on police bail after being repeatedly arrested for abusing boys from an elementary school opposite his home in Angeles City in the Philippines.
Wealthy Slade, who has boasted of bribing prosecutors and victims' families, boasted of paying his way out of trouble in the corrupt, poverty-racked Southeast Asian country which is a magnet for paedophiles and sex tourists, our investigation in December found.
Now, Mail Online has discovered that Slade faces possible extradition to the UK as detectives in Bristol investigate him for historical child sex offences linked to a nationwide paedophile network before he left Britain for the Philippines in 1985.
It comes as an alleged former victim of Slade contacted MailOnline to describe how he was molested at the age of 14.
ChrisRS6 said:
It's been said before and will come out again....not only are the organisations all ready mentioned on here guilty....but the BBC knew all about what went on for decades.
Jill Dando was about to blow the full story but someone decided to pop her off on her own doorstep....coincidence?....damn right was it.
When this story breaks it will be massive.
Chris,Jill Dando was about to blow the full story but someone decided to pop her off on her own doorstep....coincidence?....damn right was it.
When this story breaks it will be massive.
I don't think we're just talking organisations here.
From what I've read a high court judge has put a gagging order on the media to not release the names they have.
Why a foreign publication does'nt go ahead and do just that is beyond me.
I thought the Aussies were good at releasing this kind of news ahead of time.
That it will eventually be released I'm pretty certain.
Phil
Fergie admitted after that borrowing $15,000 from Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a good idea.
And we're back to the issue of impartiality and independence and the 'leverage' of having 'dirt' on others.
HRH Prince Andrew is getting smeared just as Baroness Butler-Closed-Shop had a pop at the victims when she was the guest Editor on Radio 4's Today programme?
And we're back to the issue of impartiality and independence and the 'leverage' of having 'dirt' on others.
HRH Prince Andrew is getting smeared just as Baroness Butler-Closed-Shop had a pop at the victims when she was the guest Editor on Radio 4's Today programme?
Edited by carinaman on Friday 2nd January 17:46
I would have thought the noble Baroness was exhibiting a degree of resentment that the plebs had dumped her. Probably a shock to the system that those with their horny hands actually had the brazen impudence to speak their minds and somebody listened. What's the world coming to when your friends let you down....er, just a minute....
Thorodin said:
I would have thought the noble Baroness was exhibiting a degree of resentment that the plebs had dumped her. Probably a shock to the system that those with their horny hands actually had the brazen impudence to speak their minds and somebody listened. What's the world coming to when your friends let you down....er, just a minute....
Exactly. What I heard from her on the radio news was a classic example of a posh, establishment person just not accepting that she is not needed and we can all manage fine without her. Randy Winkman said:
Thorodin said:
I would have thought the noble Baroness was exhibiting a degree of resentment that the plebs had dumped her. Probably a shock to the system that those with their horny hands actually had the brazen impudence to speak their minds and somebody listened. What's the world coming to when your friends let you down....er, just a minute....
Exactly. What I heard from her on the radio news was a classic example of a posh, establishment person just not accepting that she is not needed and we can all manage fine without her. 
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