UK General Election 2015
Discussion
majordad said:
Beware the greens ! They f
ked up Ireland where I live for a generation with crazy stunts. We pay £2000 Annual Road Tax for a petrol car over 2500 cc regardlless of it's age.
Ireland was fked up Ireland where I live for a generation with crazy stunts. We pay £2000 Annual Road Tax for a petrol car over 2500 cc regardlless of it's age. ked up long before the Greens, thankfully the Greens went the way of the dodo, Labour (the Irish version) will join them in oblivion at the next election.The next lot are going to be a whole lot worse.
majordad said:
Agreed, but the Greens did a lot of damage, so beware of a powerful Green minority. Ireland still remains a great place to drive though, even if it's dam expensive in anything other than a micro diesel under 100 gr CO 2
I think we pay under €300 for a 2.0 diesel and €333 for a 3.0, so it isn't that bad. Weekend car can be registered to a company in the north, if you get my meaning.I didn't mind the greens, despite some of their oddball policies, the current lot are worse, but the worst has yet to come.
majordad said:
Agreed, but the Greens did a lot of damage, so beware of a powerful Green minority. Ireland still remains a great place to drive though, even if it's dam expensive in anything other than a micro diesel under 100 gr CO 2
this along with the threat of the snp having any say over uk energy policy is something that concerns me greatly.Scuffers said:
cookie118 said:
Sometimes I think the politicians are placed in a tight spot-they can promise the moon and get elected then get nailed over broken promises-or tell the truth and not get in.
Nail >>> Headthis is the outcome of years of crap dumbed-down media coverage, to the point now where anything mildly complex is just too much for them to deal with/report so we end up arguing about bacon sandwiches.
t around the time blair came to power ,not that i am blaming him or the labour party of the time (hell there is enough to blame them for) i genuinely do not know. i think private eye should be state sponsored for 6 months leading up to every election and dropped through every letterbox in the land. might wake people up to some of the shenanigans those they seem happy to vote for time after time.wc98 said:
majordad said:
Agreed, but the Greens did a lot of damage, so beware of a powerful Green minority. Ireland still remains a great place to drive though, even if it's dam expensive in anything other than a micro diesel under 100 gr CO 2
this along with the threat of the snp having any say over uk energy policy is something that concerns me greatly.
Strocky said:
Excellent newsAs i hate the idea of the money i earn heading to those lazy buggers to the south of me
hidetheelephants said:
wc98 said:
majordad said:
Agreed, but the Greens did a lot of damage, so beware of a powerful Green minority. Ireland still remains a great place to drive though, even if it's dam expensive in anything other than a micro diesel under 100 gr CO 2
this along with the threat of the snp having any say over uk energy policy is something that concerns me greatly.the only party with a logical energy policy are UKIP!
not being funny, but how unbelievable is that?
IMHO the problem with politics today is that none of our dear leaders these days have any common sense, none have ever held down a real job, none have a clue on any practical subject, all they know is how to debate and play politics (and some would argue that point too).
it does not take a rocket scientist to realise just how f**ked up energy, NHS, transport, immigration, etc polices are, yet week after week we get the same old irrelevant trash spouted at us.
what's more important? keeping the lights on and the country from going bust or winging on about breastfeeding and paying immigrants HIV treatment?
I think Guam you need to go back and read again. Look again at what Ashcroft says, and what his polling has found about what the general electorate actually thinks rather than what you think they should think.
For instance read his previous detailed poling at
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/03/why-arent-the...
They don't think Cameron has moved too far to the left. They don't criticise him for what you say. They like Cameron, what they actually think is:
[quote]Uniquely among the leaders, he commands higher approval ratings than his party. But this signals that, in important respects – at least in the eyes of voters – Cameron has not been able to change the party he leads. People are less likely to say the Tories share their values, stand for fairness or would look after public services like the NHS than when they came into office.
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For instance read his previous detailed poling at
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/03/why-arent-the...
They don't think Cameron has moved too far to the left. They don't criticise him for what you say. They like Cameron, what they actually think is:
[quote]Uniquely among the leaders, he commands higher approval ratings than his party. But this signals that, in important respects – at least in the eyes of voters – Cameron has not been able to change the party he leads. People are less likely to say the Tories share their values, stand for fairness or would look after public services like the NHS than when they came into office.
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But you then went on to say
Indeed, as per the 2nd link I pointed to, Cameron's "soft" Toryism is seen as good and he is scoring better than the party. It is the belief that the party is still the old nasty party that is holding Cameron back.
Not something I am terribly pleased about, because I am to the right of Cameron, but that is what the polls are saying, not what we want them to say
Guam said:
I think the elephant in the room with voters will be the ring fencing of foreign aid whilst the austerity measures are ongoing
I doubt the average voter will buy into the arguments from the political classes on issues like this
Something that ashcrofts logic in that lecture would strike to
They can't keep punishing the electorate on the one hand and keep pissing increasing amounts away on the other
Wake up the people no longer believe you??
Whereas there does not seem to be evidence that is so. As far as I can there are a number of UKIP voters for whom that is an issue, but they wouldn't vote for the Tories even if that were taken away. You just think it is seen as a big issue because it is reinforced by the same views you hear on here. In the outside world of the swing voter, that as far as I am aware is not registering.I doubt the average voter will buy into the arguments from the political classes on issues like this
Something that ashcrofts logic in that lecture would strike to
They can't keep punishing the electorate on the one hand and keep pissing increasing amounts away on the other
Wake up the people no longer believe you??
Indeed, as per the 2nd link I pointed to, Cameron's "soft" Toryism is seen as good and he is scoring better than the party. It is the belief that the party is still the old nasty party that is holding Cameron back.
Not something I am terribly pleased about, because I am to the right of Cameron, but that is what the polls are saying, not what we want them to say
Isn't your local MP's voting record very largely dictated by his party's whips office?
So you're just voting negatively against a party and not positively for the candidate for whom you vote.
All a bit Mr Angry Student really. Is that the qualification for being one of the "select few on this thread"?
So you're just voting negatively against a party and not positively for the candidate for whom you vote.
All a bit Mr Angry Student really. Is that the qualification for being one of the "select few on this thread"?
Guam said:
Greg66 said:
Isn't your local MP's voting record very largely dictated by his party's whips office?
So you're just voting negatively against a party and not positively for the candidate for whom you vote.
All a bit Mr Angry Student really. Is that the qualification for being one of the "select few on this thread"?
Oh hello another patronising know it allSo you're just voting negatively against a party and not positively for the candidate for whom you vote.
All a bit Mr Angry Student really. Is that the qualification for being one of the "select few on this thread"?
Short answer no it isn't and on these issues no it wasn't
I have had communication with him on these issues and it was nothing to do with the whips office
Now go find some traffic to play in there's a good paternalistic tit
Anyway, it seems that according to you, he defied the whips. Which you don't like.
So you're really a dyed in the wool Cameron style Tory, is that it?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 28th March 20:45
JustAnotherLogin said:
And yet so many defence ministries want to buy it
The pilots love it
And despite your unsubstantiated allegations of political pressure to go into service it is nearing that service
And you said the gun would be operational in 2019. More recent reports suggest 2017
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space...
And as far as I can see the other problems mentioned have been overcome
http://www.pogo.org/our-work/straus-military-refor...The pilots love it
And despite your unsubstantiated allegations of political pressure to go into service it is nearing that service
And you said the gun would be operational in 2019. More recent reports suggest 2017
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space...
And as far as I can see the other problems mentioned have been overcome
Cooking the Numbers
Testing Being Deferred, Not Completed
Significant Safety Risks Are Still Unresolved
Wing Drop Concerns
Engine Problems Continue to Hold the F-35 Program Back
Dangerous Helmet Failures
Initial Combat Capabilities for the Marien Corps Variant Will Be Even More Limited Than Planned
ALIS Software Failures
Software Snarls Jeopardize Combat Suitability
Hiding Today's Failings While Building a Huge Future Cost "Bow Wave"
A Maintenance Nightmare
Conclusion: Exquisitely Limited Capability
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-marin...
You really do not have a clue...
Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 28th March 20:50
Labour's Campaign co-ordinator Lucy Powell MP vs Andrew Neil.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n0pk9
Their economic policy really is a mess. She starts off claiming that Labour will 'balance the books' yet then goes on to admit that they will increase borrowing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n0pk9
Their economic policy really is a mess. She starts off claiming that Labour will 'balance the books' yet then goes on to admit that they will increase borrowing.
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