UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Guam said:
In my sixty years there have been many things I did not wan,t but pragmatism required me to acknowledge and accept
Is that clear enough for you
Or do you still want to carry on inspecting the innards of this imaginary goat you think you have found?
That is the 1st time I have heard that expression in my 20 days short of 57 years Is that clear enough for you
Or do you still want to carry on inspecting the innards of this imaginary goat you think you have found?
Guam said:
Dear lord and still it goes on
Look what I might want is different to what the reality may prove to be post the election
in the real world one has to accept that there is a situation where the Governance of the country becomes paralysed and the two main parties go back to the ballot box to resolve it.
Whether I like it or not it is still a plausible outcome,
I accept that reality as being entirely possible post the results (hence the hint about pragmatism).
In my sixty years there have been many things I did not wan,t but pragmatism required me to acknowledge and accept
Is that clear enough for you
Or do you still want to carry on inspecting the innards of this imaginary goat you think you have found?
I still don't get why you think that a second election would resolve anything. There is zero evidence to suggest that the country is firmly behind either of the main parties and there is no proof either that the failure of either of those parties achieving a majority would result in the country coming to a standstill - I happen to disagree. What is just likely to happen in the event of a hung parliament is that politicians will have take a pragmatic view - just as they did in 2010.Look what I might want is different to what the reality may prove to be post the election
in the real world one has to accept that there is a situation where the Governance of the country becomes paralysed and the two main parties go back to the ballot box to resolve it.
Whether I like it or not it is still a plausible outcome,
I accept that reality as being entirely possible post the results (hence the hint about pragmatism).
In my sixty years there have been many things I did not wan,t but pragmatism required me to acknowledge and accept
Is that clear enough for you
Or do you still want to carry on inspecting the innards of this imaginary goat you think you have found?
StevieBee said:
I really cannot understand how or why we have arrived at this position other than we have somehow grown a population of the terminally thick.
I suspect it is because we have 650 MPs most of whom are lying, cheating, useless, power-crazy idiots thus leaving the population with the choice of voting for different shades of s
t rover 623gsi said:
I still don't get why you think that a second election would resolve anything. There is zero evidence to suggest that the country is firmly behind either of the main parties and there is no proof either that the failure of either of those parties achieving a majority would result in the country coming to a standstill - I happen to disagree. What is just likely to happen in the event of a hung parliament is that politicians will have take a pragmatic view - just as they did in 2010.
Because there is a school of thought (and some evidence to support it, I believe) that says that if given a second chance to vote, voters' attitudes harden and the desire to deliver a clear majority government increases. Moreover, the party that is perceived by the electorate to have screwed up the prospects of a stable government being formed first time around gets "blamed" by the voters in the second ballot and suffers accordingly. One things for sure, after 5 years of liblabcsnpgreen shenanigans people's heads might just emerge from their arses and they'll demand a proper change to the way this stupidity is currently being conducted.
They need to feel some real pain before they understand what it is they need to do- Think about what it is they're voting for.
British electorate= dumb turkeys voting for Christmas..........
They need to feel some real pain before they understand what it is they need to do- Think about what it is they're voting for.
British electorate= dumb turkeys voting for Christmas..........
StevieBee said:
I really cannot understand how or why we have arrived at this position other than we have somehow grown a population of the terminally thick.
Basically the above. Scotland is a prime example people voted for a man who spent there tax's on propoganda (white paper) that was at best wishful thinking at worst down right lies. An yet 2million people lapped it up did not see any flaws in the tale they were being told.Then after they lost seems like even more people will vote for them and thus give us a situation where we are ruled by Labour (who lets face it made a mess of a great economy they inherited) and a party that wants to bring down the UK and at the same time cause all its major firms to then up an leave (you will recall with no surpise every bank based in scotland said it would leave).
Vote for who ever you like but remember this. Rich people will always be Richer than you and if you elect partys that try and take too much this group will leave and there will the average joe be. The big issue with the left (Labour SNP and Greens etc) is they want other to pay for there crazy ideas.
FiF said:
One small thing I would wish to add to your wishes, even if it's a rather abstract notion. MPs have the right to the Right Honourable title, I would like to see ethics and behaviour which justifies that.
As a teenager I wanted to date Charlie's Angels. I wonder which of us will get lucky first 
Really at a crossroads in my mind.
I am able to vote for two areas, one is a rather firm labour seat, with a 4K majority last time round while the other is on a knife-edge between libdem and the tories, its one of the constituencies the tories have targeted. its so close my vote alone could swing it.
I really like the libdem MP we have and would like him to continue, but this seat could make the difference in the overall election and I really really dont want Labour to win the election, especially with an SNP alliance. I will be voting tory at my uni home for sure, but do I have to turn my back on having a great MP for my hometown just to stop Milliband from ruining our future?
The first past the post system is so flawed, but it'll never change while we have the big two in power...
I am able to vote for two areas, one is a rather firm labour seat, with a 4K majority last time round while the other is on a knife-edge between libdem and the tories, its one of the constituencies the tories have targeted. its so close my vote alone could swing it.
I really like the libdem MP we have and would like him to continue, but this seat could make the difference in the overall election and I really really dont want Labour to win the election, especially with an SNP alliance. I will be voting tory at my uni home for sure, but do I have to turn my back on having a great MP for my hometown just to stop Milliband from ruining our future?
The first past the post system is so flawed, but it'll never change while we have the big two in power...
BlackLabel said:
So we'll have a situation where party number 2 is in government propped up by party number 5 (in terms of the national vote). A real mess indeed.
In Scotland we have been governed by party number 4 propped up by party number 3 and that is all OK and we have to accept the overall vote across the entire UK, but as soon as Englandshire is faced with something similar, it really isn't OK and it is wrong that the result from one part of the UK can distort the overall result. With just 59 seats out of 650, I think this is the first time in my lifetime that this outcome has been even remotely possible and I'm going to lap it up!
I don't want Labour back in power but can't in conscience vote for the Tories, the LibDems have nothing to recommend them and the Greens are laughable. So yes, I will vote SNP and be both happy and proud to do so.
GoneAnon said:
In Scotland we have been governed by party number 4 propped up by party number 3 and that is all OK and we have to accept the overall vote across the entire UK, but as soon as Englandshire is faced with something similar, it really isn't OK and it is wrong that the result from one part of the UK can distort the overall result.
With just 59 seats out of 650, I think this is the first time in my lifetime that this outcome has been even remotely possible and I'm going to lap it up!
I don't want Labour back in power but can't in conscience vote for the Tories, the LibDems have nothing to recommend them and the Greens are laughable. So yes, I will vote SNP and be both happy and proud to do so.
How many seat should scotland have out of 650?With just 59 seats out of 650, I think this is the first time in my lifetime that this outcome has been even remotely possible and I'm going to lap it up!
I don't want Labour back in power but can't in conscience vote for the Tories, the LibDems have nothing to recommend them and the Greens are laughable. So yes, I will vote SNP and be both happy and proud to do so.
And why don't you want to support labour when the SNP promise to massively increase spending?
Or do you think that the average worker seeing 40% of there income to the state is no where near enough?
GoneAnon said:
BlackLabel said:
So we'll have a situation where party number 2 is in government propped up by party number 5 (in terms of the national vote). A real mess indeed.
In Scotland we have been governed by party number 4 propped up by party number 3 and that is all OK and we have to accept the overall vote across the entire UK, but as soon as Englandshire is faced with something similar, it really isn't OK and it is wrong that the result from one part of the UK can distort the overall result. With just 59 seats out of 650, I think this is the first time in my lifetime that this outcome has been even remotely possible and I'm going to lap it up!
I don't want Labour back in power but can't in conscience vote for the Tories, the LibDems have nothing to recommend them and the Greens are laughable. So yes, I will vote SNP and be both happy and proud to do so.
So Scotland Wales NI and England as part of the UK get what they vote for on the whole except we might now have a UK gov't made up of a parties who only come 4th or 5th..... not 1st etc
So its different but hey vote SNP its up to you right but ask yourself this if you had gotten what the SNP wanted what would Scotland look like now no banks massive unemployment and an oil price well below what King Alex promised...basically you would be on the brink of being third world...the fact you are lapping up voting for that really does confirm there is a huge swath of the electorate who really are backward.
its simple really do you want to live in a country that's growing and seeing wealth increase for all or one that relys on 40% of the population getting state handouts an state non jobs....oh wait you vote SNP so I guess we know the answer to that.
Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
contango said:
Are you sure you can vote twice?
Local elections maybe, but general election?
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register-to-vote/stud...
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-a...
Oh poo, thanks for showing me this! Looks like I'll be just voting for home-home thenLocal elections maybe, but general election?
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register-to-vote/stud...
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-a...
Gecko1978 said:
no you confusing things its the UK general election Scotland is part of the UK you even voted for it. So the electorate in the UK have voted for gov't they wanted to run the country.
So Scotland Wales NI and England as part of the UK get what they vote for on the whole except we might now have a UK gov't made up of a parties who only come 4th or 5th..... not 1st etc
The thing is that no-one voter for a Tory LibDem coalition but we got it. If the vote next month goes as the polls suggest surely it is democracy in action that the party(s) with the most seats (regardless of where the seats represent in the UK) form the government. That's what WE keep getting told anyway.So Scotland Wales NI and England as part of the UK get what they vote for on the whole except we might now have a UK gov't made up of a parties who only come 4th or 5th..... not 1st etc
Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
Gecko1978 said:
So its different but hey vote SNP its up to you right but ask yourself this if you had gotten what the SNP wanted what would Scotland look like now no banks massive unemployment and an oil price well below what King Alex promised...basically you would be on the brink of being third world...the fact you are lapping up voting for that really does confirm there is a huge swath of the electorate who really are backward.
We will never know what Scotland might have looked like but remind yourself that ALL the Westminster pparties wanted Scotland to stay n the union. The oil price crash was unforeseen bu our economy doesn't rely on oil income. Which is just as well with Westminster pissing so much against the wall.Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
Insulting people has never been a succesful technique for changing their mind.
Gecko1978 said:
its simple really do you want to live in a country that's growing and seeing wealth increase for all or one that relys on 40% of the population getting state handouts an state non jobs....oh wait you vote SNP so I guess we know the answer to that.
Wealth growing for everyone? That must have passed me by.Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
As for th rest, after more than 300 years as part of this union, that isn't much to crow about!
FiF said:
Or ever probably.
One small thing I would wish to add to your wishes, even if it's a rather abstract notion. MPs have the right to the Right Honourable title, I would like to see ethics and behaviour which justifies that.
[Pedant Mode] Only members of the Privy Council have the Right Honourable moniker, mere MPs are, apparently, just Honourable [/Pedant Mode]One small thing I would wish to add to your wishes, even if it's a rather abstract notion. MPs have the right to the Right Honourable title, I would like to see ethics and behaviour which justifies that.
GoneAnon said:
Gecko1978 said:
no you confusing things its the UK general election Scotland is part of the UK you even voted for it. So the electorate in the UK have voted for gov't they wanted to run the country.
So Scotland Wales NI and England as part of the UK get what they vote for on the whole except we might now have a UK gov't made up of a parties who only come 4th or 5th..... not 1st etc
The thing is that no-one voter for a Tory LibDem coalition but we got it. If the vote next month goes as the polls suggest surely it is democracy in action that the party(s) with the most seats (regardless of where the seats represent in the UK) form the government. That's what WE keep getting told anyway.So Scotland Wales NI and England as part of the UK get what they vote for on the whole except we might now have a UK gov't made up of a parties who only come 4th or 5th..... not 1st etc
Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
Gecko1978 said:
So its different but hey vote SNP its up to you right but ask yourself this if you had gotten what the SNP wanted what would Scotland look like now no banks massive unemployment and an oil price well below what King Alex promised...basically you would be on the brink of being third world...the fact you are lapping up voting for that really does confirm there is a huge swath of the electorate who really are backward.
We will never know what Scotland might have looked like but remind yourself that ALL the Westminster pparties wanted Scotland to stay n the union. The oil price crash was unforeseen bu our economy doesn't rely on oil income. Which is just as well with Westminster pissing so much against the wall.Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
Insulting people has never been a succesful technique for changing their mind.
Gecko1978 said:
its simple really do you want to live in a country that's growing and seeing wealth increase for all or one that relys on 40% of the population getting state handouts an state non jobs....oh wait you vote SNP so I guess we know the answer to that.
Wealth growing for everyone? That must have passed me by.Edited by Gecko1978 on Thursday 2nd April 14:49
As for th rest, after more than 300 years as part of this union, that isn't much to crow about!
that would be a bit left wing for my liking.
But insults aside thr coalition is made up of the 1st and 3rd party ok so we got clegg along for the ride. but if we get Lab SNP but torys get most seats then the 1st party is not getting to join the party and thats not right. How about Tory Lab or Tory SNP (assuming Torys do come first etc)
If labour come 1st and Torys 2nd then no need to bring them to the table but if we have a a leadership made up of second choices what does that say about us as a nation...we want a goverment but not the best one just a mediocer one
GoneAnon said:
You said "wealth increase for all"
I said " wealth growing for everyone".
Who would you be excluding from your "all" that I included in my "everyone"?
Or is the difference we need to spot between "increase" and "growing"?
Apologies you seem like a decent chap, so I will clarify. The all or everyone I meant was as a nation etc i.e. the economy is growing. I except this is different from every single person with many still struggling. I said " wealth growing for everyone".
Who would you be excluding from your "all" that I included in my "everyone"?
Or is the difference we need to spot between "increase" and "growing"?
look in 2007 at the high of the crsh I lost everything my job my health etc but I have built it all back with no direct help from anyone else all I have wanted is a gov't that would keep tax's lox I was not bothered about hand outs or state services etc. so now 7 years later I have benefited from the economy growing. I am lucky but there is no denying the economic policy of this coalition has been a success for the nation if not every indvidual in the nation.
Other Partys Labour and the SNP would not make the tough choices would raise tax's would borrow more and would make my life worse and I believe growth would be less.
So vote for who you like but don't be surprised if the second best parties don't do as good a job as the 1st choice etc but like the Oscars or the brits people vote an person with most votes is the best, they did not do it on there own but they are best for that job at that time be it singer actor or PM
Oops, seems Ed's own letter of support doesn't have quite the same calibre - they had to remove an alleged benefit cheat from it..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliba...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliba...
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