UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Hi Wombat 
4v6 said:
Load of "hard done-by", unrealistic tripe
In a nutshell, nor do I care about left, right, centre Tory, Labour or anything else. Put labels on things if you must but I'm just looking at the next 5-10 years and which direction that leads.The largely dysfunctional and very ill-informed population we have needs to be managed - a job not unlike herding cats. That also needs to be done in a way that constrains the more productive elements of society as little as possible - because otherwise we really will all be in the s
t.Electing a government is always a case of finding the least worst option. It was ever thus, and always will be. Throwing it all in the air is not a good idea, not a grand wheeze and almost certainly ends up being expensive and a complete waste of time. Evolution, not revolution for me please.
Edited by Wombat3 on Sunday 5th April 00:39
EskimoArapaho said:
PRTVR said:
Very strange, she is denying the content of the memo, but wants an inquiry into how it was leaked 
Not strange at all. She is denying the words attributed to her. And she wants to find out where the 'memo' came from (i.e. which organisation dreamed it up and passed it off as fact).The Telegraph won't play ball. It's been stitched up, House-of-Cards stylee, and it would be too embarassing to admit that (see the end of Peirs debacle at The Mirror following the fake squaddie-Iraqi story).
(If you're still scratching your chin, you may have small animals in your beard.)
The most intriguing being that the FO deny the had such a memo, but the Scottish Office are saying they don't comment on leaks. So if it did exist did someone at the Scottish Office leak it? And if so with what in mind?
And if not who made it up? Journo or an "insider" trying to create a story? And again, if so, with what in mind?
paulrockliffe said:
SNP have massive form for telling porkies and I've never heard Sturgeon utter a truthful sentence. I'm fairly confident that she got caught with her pants down and is acting indignant so people believe her.
+1lots of porkies told to the Scottish people during the independence campaign that's for sure.
Wombat3 said:
4v6 said:
Load of "hard done-by", unrealistic tripe
In a nutshell, nor do I care about left, right, centre Tory, Labour or anything else. Put labels on things if you must but I'm just looking at the next 5-10 years and which direction that leads.The largely dysfunctional and very ill-informed population we have needs to be managed - a job not unlike herding cats. That also needs to be done in a way that constrains the more productive elements of society as little as possible - because otherwise we really will all be in the s
t.Electing a government is always a case of finding the least worst option. It was ever thus, and always will be. Throwing it all in the air is not a good idea, not a grand wheeze and almost certainly ends up being expensive and a complete waste of time. Evolution, not revolution for me please.
Edited by Wombat3 on Sunday 5th April 00:39
You can't help but get the feeling something's going to go wrong sooner rather than later. With the growing population it's even more incredible that there's not massive unemployment. If the next Government Balls up the economy, there will be rioting like we've never seen before.
Wombat3 said:
4v6 said:
Load of "hard done-by", unrealistic tripe
Absolutely typical attitude from one of my "betters" in the blue meanie party. 
Wombat3 said:
n a nutshell, nor do I care about left, right, centre Tory, Labour or anything else.
Oh but you do or else youd not keep puking on about how torys are the only way this that or the other can happen.Wombat3 said:
Put labels on things if you must but I'm just looking at the next 5-10 years and which direction that leads.
Theyre not my labels dearest and youre a bit shortsighted if 10 years future is all youre bothered about., unless youve only got 10 years left in you.... Wombat3 said:
The largely dysfunctional and very ill-informed population we have needs to be managed -
Why are they ill informed? Because the 3 party system feeds them bullst all day long, what else are they supposed to believe?A neutral media? Ha ha ha!
I love the way you talk of "managing" people, thats so dystopian.
Wombat3 said:
That also needs to be done in a way that constrains the more productive elements of society as little as possible - because otherwise we really will all be in the st.
No, your buddies in blue will be the ones up to their necks in it as will the other lot.t.Wombat3 said:
Electing a government is always a case of finding the least worst option.
Oh I see. Choose the bunch of tts in the blue corner or the bunch of s in the red corner and thats your lot. Wombat3 said:
It was ever thus, and always will be.
And thats where youre wrong, it scares the ste out of reds and blues that the status quo might be altered to push them out, thats why theyre wetting theirselves over the like of Ukip and the snp now.Wombat3 said:
Throwing it all in the air is not a good idea, not a grand wheeze and almost certainly ends up being expensive and a complete waste of time. Evolution, not revolution for me please.
So long as it stays the same then "im all right jack".Edited by Wombat3 on Sunday 5th April 00:39
As for your "evolution", never happen, not with the attitudes diplayed by the present polticians and the s
tty system theyre propping up, theyve no incentive to evolve into anything better, and as with all evolution eventually when its reached the end of its line, it dies, thats the real way it is.4v6 said:
Wombat3 said:
4v6 said:
Load of "hard done-by", unrealistic tripe
Absolutely typical attitude from one of my "betters" in the blue meanie party. Wombat3 said:
n a nutshell, nor do I care about left, right, centre Tory, Labour or anything else.
Oh but you do or else youd not keep puking on about how torys are the only way this that or the other can happen.Wombat3 said:
Put labels on things if you must but I'm just looking at the next 5-10 years and which direction that leads.
Theyre not my labels dearest and youre a bit shortsighted if 10 years future is all youre bothered about., unless youve only got 10 years left in you.... Wombat3 said:
The largely dysfunctional and very ill-informed population we have needs to be managed -
Why are they ill informed? Because the 3 party system feeds them bullst all day long, what else are they supposed to believe?A neutral media? Ha ha ha!
I love the way you talk of "managing" people, thats so dystopian.
Wombat3 said:
That also needs to be done in a way that constrains the more productive elements of society as little as possible - because otherwise we really will all be in the st.
No, your buddies in blue will be the ones up to their necks in it as will the other lot.t.Wombat3 said:
Electing a government is always a case of finding the least worst option.
Oh I see. Choose the bunch of tts in the blue corner or the bunch of s in the red corner and thats your lot. Wombat3 said:
It was ever thus, and always will be.
And thats where youre wrong, it scares the ste out of reds and blues that the status quo might be altered to push them out, thats why theyre wetting theirselves over the like of Ukip and the snp now.Wombat3 said:
Throwing it all in the air is not a good idea, not a grand wheeze and almost certainly ends up being expensive and a complete waste of time. Evolution, not revolution for me please.
So long as it stays the same then "im all right jack".Edited by Wombat3 on Sunday 5th April 00:39
As for your "evolution", never happen, not with the attitudes diplayed by the present polticians and the s
tty system theyre propping up, theyve no incentive to evolve into anything better, and as with all evolution eventually when its reached the end of its line, it dies, thats the real way it is.Your whole premise falls apart at the herding cats/need to manage the population bit. The simple fact is that there is a vast amount of information out there if people choose to go and look for it. The reality is they don't and they just believe the sound-bites - and they don't really understand half of those.
Therefore they get fed the sound-bites because the politicians know they are too stupid/ignorant/lazy to actually engage in the facts of the debate and find out for themselves. Large tracts of the population are basically incapable of understanding much of it anyway.
Why don't you try popping out into the street and asking a bunch of people about the pro's & cons of PFI or what they think about the Laffer curve in relation to overall tax revenues?
Most of them would think you'd landed from Mars, but they all have just as much of a vote as those that do understand what these things mean.
So which came first, the stupid population or the politicians chasing their votes and feeding them dumbed down rubbish?
As Winston Churchill is supposed to have said ((as near as makes no odds) "the best argument for a dictatorship is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter" . He was probably not far wrong
Its scary to think that the people who have commented on this story : http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/05/ca...
are actually allowed to vote. Dear god, what a bunch of morons.
are actually allowed to vote. Dear god, what a bunch of morons.
Wombat3; I think the one you are looking for is:
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"
although I have a personal preference for:
"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life"
What he'd think of the current options I don't know, but I somehow believe it would be not very much
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"
although I have a personal preference for:
"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life"
What he'd think of the current options I don't know, but I somehow believe it would be not very much
johnxjsc1985 said:
what are they odds on another Election in October. I just cant see Labour MP's happy at being held to ransome by Salomond
About 7/2. http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/wide...
I wonder what would happen if the 2nd election doesn't give us a proper result either. Perhaps a Con-Lab coalition brokered by the Queen?
Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 5th April 23:53
4v6 said:
Spoken like a true arrogant tory!
The fact is, none of whats going on now under the party system we currently have is any less nonsensical, you cant tell me that giving aid money to china and india is sensible/logical? Nor spending billions on combatting a fake climate issue? Or a multitude of other idiocies?
Remember a bloke called Gordon Brown?The fact is, none of whats going on now under the party system we currently have is any less nonsensical, you cant tell me that giving aid money to china and india is sensible/logical? Nor spending billions on combatting a fake climate issue? Or a multitude of other idiocies?
Remember a country called China? Yeah that one, the biggest, richest and strongest manufacturing behemoth the world has ever seen....the one that everybody is presently borrowing money off and that will be building one of our nuclear power stations for us.
Well, in 2008, that bloke called Gordon decided to spunk £50 MILLION of our hard earned income tax to that very country, to help them tackle climate change.
I wonder where that £50 million is now. One things for sure though, China are probably still laughing about it today - I know I would be.
http://www.gridovate.com/gordon-brown-gives-50m-gr...
http://metro.co.uk/2008/01/19/brown-offers-china-g...
paulrockliffe said:
SNP have massive form for telling porkies and I've never heard Sturgeon utter a truthful sentence. I'm fairly confident that she got caught with her pants down and is acting indignant so people believe her.
You would think you'd be more than FAIRLY confident that someone you accuse of NEVER having uttered a truthful statement is lying, that the French Consul is lying and the "dimplomat" lied when they said they doubted that Sturgeon would be so loose with her tongueSturgeon's showing on the leaders debate has the establishment rattled, they'll be more dirty tricks to come
No matter what, if Alistair Carmichael thinks the excuse that "ach these things happen" will make the matter go away he's as deluded as the Unionists who believe the smear in the first place despite all the empirical data showing the opposite
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