UK General Election 2015

[johnxjsc1985]

wc98 said:

+1

I know that person. He is unemployed has four children has a car and a 28ft boat i phone etc Sky digital and broadband. if you add it all up it does get close to £25k and he is fit for work and i dont know why he hasnt been "found out" yet.Oh and he does have a PPI claim.

[turbobloke]

edh said:

...they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years...

It's either a parrot or this...an astonishing economic upturn around 2001 clearly invisible in the charts below, then when the shti hit the fan it was too late and we got the brownturn faster and deeper.





ETA so, in a rush, it's the parrot...2010, 2000 etc.

Edited by turbobloke on Thursday 16th April 11:45

[NoNeed]

edh said:

If they weren't able to understand most if not all of the above in 2010, they were incompetent. You're right that they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years (remember the economy was growing when they took office). They don't want to admit that the growth is as a result of their loosening. Suits the electoral cycle though..

Ok I will offer you exactly the same terms that the coalition had when they took office.

The economy had grown by 1.7% of GDP but in order to achieve this we had to borrow 10% of GDP. Doesn't sound so good now does it because if you accept these term I will indeed give you £1.700 all you have to do is sign an agreement that you owe me £10,000.

Growth does not always mean good. It was absolute madness to borrow so much in return for so little it was not only unsustainable it would have lead to an economic disaster greater than the great depression.

So do you want my £1.700?

[turbobloke]

edh said:

...they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years...

turbobloke said:

It's either a parrot or this...

Instead of killing the bird via psittacosis - was the private sector growth, supposedly suppressed, going to happen as it did (and still is happening) without a rebalancing of the economy away from the bloated public sector...and given that public spending is the G part of the GDP calculation GDP = C + G + I + (X - M) what was the order of events likely to be?

[edh]

NoNeed said:

edh said:

If they weren't able to understand most if not all of the above in 2010, they were incompetent. You're right that they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years (remember the economy was growing when they took office). They don't want to admit that the growth is as a result of their loosening. Suits the electoral cycle though..

Ok I will offer you exactly the same terms that the coalition had when they took office.

The economy had grown by 1.7% of GDP but in order to achieve this we had to borrow 10% of GDP. Doesn't sound so good now does it because if you accept these term I will indeed give you £1.700 all you have to do is sign an agreement that you owe me £10,000.

Growth does not always mean good. It was absolute madness to borrow so much in return for so little it was not only unsustainable it would have lead to an economic disaster greater than the great depression.

So do you want my £1.700?

1.5% on first half of 2010 ..and we're now borrowing £90bn pa still. Anyway I thought we were all Keynesians these days...

[edh]

Digga said:

edh said:

Why would Labour act against the interests of the UK?

Well for a start, can you honestly see Wallace (and his team) driving a good, hard bargain for the UK and actually being an agent for change? I'm sorry, but he really strikes me as the sort of person who'd cave in tough, protracted negotiation, who'd piss down either or both his own trouser legs in the face of a big decision.

Then there's the not inconsiderable history Labour politicians have of sloping off into the depths of the EU/ECB/IMF, post UK political career, to live off the gravy train. Do you really expect the turkeys to vote for Christmas?

I thought we're told Milliband is now a ruthless backstabber who'd stop at nothing to get what he wanted - maybe he'd be an excellent negotiator?

Honestly do you think it does you any credit to portray him as someone "who'd piss down either or both his own trouser legs in the face of a big decision."? Puerile nonsense

Politicians of all colours seem to live off the EU gravy train, including many Tories & that nice Mr Farage

[NoNeed]

edh said:

NoNeed said:

edh said:

If they weren't able to understand most if not all of the above in 2010, they were incompetent. You're right that they changed course in order to finally generate some growth after suppressing it for 3 years (remember the economy was growing when they took office). They don't want to admit that the growth is as a result of their loosening. Suits the electoral cycle though..

Ok I will offer you exactly the same terms that the coalition had when they took office.

The economy had grown by 1.7% of GDP but in order to achieve this we had to borrow 10% of GDP. Doesn't sound so good now does it because if you accept these term I will indeed give you £1.700 all you have to do is sign an agreement that you owe me £10,000.

Growth does not always mean good. It was absolute madness to borrow so much in return for so little it was not only unsustainable it would have lead to an economic disaster greater than the great depression.

So do you want my £1.700?

1.5% on first half of 2010 ..and we're now borrowing £90bn pa still. Anyway I thought we were all Keynesians these days...

Yes we are still borrowing too much, but it is Labour that is saying we have cut to far too fast and it was labour that left the deficit problem.


But it was Labours reckless economic mismanagement that mad the economic crash so devastating, despite 10 years of growth and selling off our gold, raiding our pensions and doubling taxation they were STILL BORROWING £20 - £30 billion every years in the 6 years prior to the banking crisis.


OH and if it's only £1500 you want Ill do you that for 9K ok, deal?

[Scuffers]

edh said:

Politicians of all colours seem to live off the EU gravy train, including many Tories & that nice Mr Farage

Nice that you lump in farage in your slight...

Ie. The only one trying to get us off said train.

Or are you suggesting he work for free?

Do you want to go back to politics being the reserve of financialy independent rich people?

[NoNeed]

edh said:

I thought we're told Milliband is now a ruthless backstabber who'd stop at nothing to get what he wanted - maybe he'd be an excellent negotiator?

Honestly do you think it does you any credit to portray him as someone "who'd piss down either or both his own trouser legs in the face of a big decision."? Puerile nonsense

Politicians of all colours seem to live off the EU gravy train, including many Tories & that nice Mr Farage

We love Wallace though, if he hadn't ignored what the whole Labour parliamentary party and grass root Labour members had wanted and done that dodgy deal with a few union barons to stab his brother in the back Labour could be looking at a comfortable majority now, and we wouldn't what that now would we?


ETA We wont find out what he offered the union until he gets into office, that thought is terrifying.

[johnxjsc1985]

NoNeed said:

ETA We wont find out what he offered the union until he gets into office, that thought is terrifying.

Not something the Conservatives had played on yet.

[wc98]

johnxjsc1985 said:

I know that person. He is unemployed has four children has a car and a 28ft boat i phone etc Sky digital and broadband. if you add it all up it does get close to £25k and he is fit for work and i dont know why he hasnt been "found out" yet.Oh and he does have a PPI claim.

maybe time someone encouraged the local benefits investigation team to have a look at him.i have no problem with people that have genuine need, but would not hesitate to stick the piss takers in.

[wc98]

Scuffers said:

Nice that you lump in farage in your slight...

Ie. The only one trying to get us off said train.

Or are you suggesting he work for free?

Do you want to go back to politics being the reserve of financialy independent rich people?

and the fact ukip are the only party that would bring in real accountability for politicians right down to councillor level ,the only party practicing what they preach,imo.

[wc98]

turbobloke said:

It's either a parrot or this...an astonishing economic upturn around 2001 clearly invisible in the charts below, then when the shti hit the fan it was too late and we got the brownturn faster and deeper.





ETA so, in a rush, it's the parrot...2010, 2000 etc.

Edited by turbobloke on Thursday 16th April 11:45

have to say he did have a few other points which i agreed with.

"Plebs" claiming PPI because those lovely banks accidentally made a monumental mess and sold policies to people who would not ever be able to claim on them. How dare they!
US levying massive fines on UK banks because of trivial & minor oversights in governance (although I think it was banks' losses that wiped out tax payments, not fines)
"Zombie banks" - ah that won't be the bank's fault again would it?
People living longer...who would have thought it?
oh yes, and every "non-worker" gets £26k pa benefits...

[edh]

Scuffers said:

edh said:

Politicians of all colours seem to live off the EU gravy train, including many Tories & that nice Mr Farage

Nice that you lump in farage in your slight...

Ie. The only one trying to get us off said train.

Or are you suggesting he work for free?

Do you want to go back to politics being the reserve of financialy independent rich people?

No-one should work for free. Farage is paid as an EU MEP isn't he? They seem quite happy to admit they are milking these posts for as much as they can get.
Turning up and doing his job might be a start...

[edh]

NoNeed said:

edh said:

I thought we're told Milliband is now a ruthless backstabber who'd stop at nothing to get what he wanted - maybe he'd be an excellent negotiator?

Honestly do you think it does you any credit to portray him as someone "who'd piss down either or both his own trouser legs in the face of a big decision."? Puerile nonsense

Politicians of all colours seem to live off the EU gravy train, including many Tories & that nice Mr Farage

We love Wallace though, if he hadn't ignored what the whole Labour parliamentary party and grass root Labour members had wanted and done that dodgy deal with a few union barons to stab his brother in the back Labour could be looking at a comfortable majority now, and we wouldn't what that now would we?


ETA We wont find out what he offered the union until he gets into office, that thought is terrifying.

David Milliband was completely associated with Blair/Iraq & would have been the wrong choice. If the "whole" PLP and membership had voted for him, he would have won.

[pingu393]

All I can say is "smoked salmon for breakfast". Can't remember that under Labour.

(£9.99/kg in Makro )

[PRTVR]

edh said:

Scuffers said:

edh said:

Politicians of all colours seem to live off the EU gravy train, including many Tories & that nice Mr Farage

Nice that you lump in farage in your slight...

Ie. The only one trying to get us off said train.

Or are you suggesting he work for free?

Do you want to go back to politics being the reserve of financialy independent rich people?

No-one should work for free. Farage is paid as an EU MEP isn't he? They seem quite happy to admit they are milking these posts for as much as they can get.
Turning up and doing his job might be a start...

But how can he do his job? He was elected by the constituency with the aim of taking us out of the EU, not to appear to make the EU look like it is working.

[pingu393]

Guam said:

edh said:

No-one should work for free. Farage is paid as an EU MEP isn't he? They seem quite happy to admit they are milking these posts for as much as they can get.
Turning up and doing his job might be a start...

Funny, you could run that by the Parliamentary candidates as well, in fact there are lists where you can find out how often the buggers have been in the HOC you might find plenty to chew on there as well

An MP's job is not just to vote. It would be very hard to judge objectively whether they are doing their jobs well. It's purely subjective - except for the "important" votes, although "important" is also subjective.

The only objective measure is whether they are re-elected by those who subjectively thought they did an OK job last time.

[Scuffers]

edh said:

No-one should work for free. Farage is paid as an EU MEP isn't he? They seem quite happy to admit they are milking these posts for as much as they can get.
Turning up and doing his job might be a start...

based on what?

Farage must do more hours a week than just about anybody I have ever seen, yet you claim he never turns up to work?

exactly what metrics are you using or did you just read that in the DM?

[BlackLabel]

George Osborne speaking in January 2015 said:

making spending committments is the easiest thing in the world. Spending committments are superficially attractive. They get ready applause from lobby groups. They get you headlines. But unfunded spending committments are made with borrowed money and the price is paid by future taxpayers

http://order-order.com/2015/04/16/george-osborne-v-george-osborne/#_@/QAlVE9jpLMVMMg