UK General Election 2015

[Mojocvh]

Utter awesomeness indeed..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32394684

So, before it was vote UKIP and get Liarbour, now it's vote SNP and get Liarbour

Why can't the Tories say "vote for us and get another 5 years of what we've just had?" is that not the TRUTH?

[Axionknight]

It might be the truth, but when they stand there and say livng standards have risen during the coalitions tenure and the figure is around the 1% mark, don't be surprised if the average joe doesn't feel any better off than he/she did five years ago.

Earn twenty thousand pounds after tax per annum sir? Because we have GOOD NEWS, you are 54p a day better off than you were under that Labour lot.

Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 21st April 12:49

[TEKNOPUG]

Axionknight said:

It might be the truth, but when they stand there and say livng standards have risen during the coalitions tenure and the figure is around the 1% mark, don't be surprised if the average joe doesn't feel any better off than he/she did five years ago.

Earn twenty thousand pounds after tax per annum sir? Because we have GOOD NEWS, you are 54p a day better off than you were under that Labour lot.

Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 21st April 12:49

Of course they aren't better off - Labour maxed out the credit cards - now we are having to pay it back. What's the answer - vote for Labour and you'll be £5 a week better off? We'll ignore the fact that they've borrowed billions to give you this money and your children we'll have to pay that off. But the next government will fix that, right?

[Vaud]

I've just had a UKIP flyer through the letter box.

It's clear, articulate and well written for the local candidate who has set out reasonable and reasonably achievable goals that would actually make a noticeable difference within reasonable budget constraints.

[London424]

Well I enjoyed this anyway

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/someone-has-ph...

[Mojocvh]

TEKNOPUG said:

Axionknight said:

It might be the truth, but when they stand there and say livng standards have risen during the coalitions tenure and the figure is around the 1% mark, don't be surprised if the average joe doesn't feel any better off than he/she did five years ago.

Earn twenty thousand pounds after tax per annum sir? Because we have GOOD NEWS, you are 54p a day better off than you were under that Labour lot.

Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 21st April 12:49

Of course they aren't better off - Labour maxed out the credit cards - now we are having to pay it back. What's the answer - vote for Labour and you'll be £5 a week better off? We'll ignore the fact that they've borrowed billions to give you this money and your children we'll have to pay that off. But the next government will fix that, right?

I would suggest you read and inwardly digest Vaud's entry @1329...

[Vaud]

Mojocvh said:

I would suggest you read and inwardly digest Vaud's entry @1329...

And for clarity it isn't my choice of party but it was one of the better articulate flyers I have seen.

[TEKNOPUG]

Mojocvh said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Axionknight said:

It might be the truth, but when they stand there and say livng standards have risen during the coalitions tenure and the figure is around the 1% mark, don't be surprised if the average joe doesn't feel any better off than he/she did five years ago.

Earn twenty thousand pounds after tax per annum sir? Because we have GOOD NEWS, you are 54p a day better off than you were under that Labour lot.

Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 21st April 12:49

Of course they aren't better off - Labour maxed out the credit cards - now we are having to pay it back. What's the answer - vote for Labour and you'll be £5 a week better off? We'll ignore the fact that they've borrowed billions to give you this money and your children we'll have to pay that off. But the next government will fix that, right?

I would suggest you read and inwardly digest Vaud's entry @1329...

I'm well aware of the UKIP manifesto. My post was aimed at the millions of people who clearly aren't.

Edited for appalling grammar.

[anonymous-user]

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/59048376...

If anybody missed this Mansion Tax interview on today's Daily Politics then I highly recommend taking 8 mins to listen to it

[Axionknight]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mojocvh said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Axionknight said:

It might be the truth, but when they stand there and say livng standards have risen during the coalitions tenure and the figure is around the 1% mark, don't be surprised if the average joe doesn't feel any better off than he/she did five years ago.

Earn twenty thousand pounds after tax per annum sir? Because we have GOOD NEWS, you are 54p a day better off than you were under that Labour lot.

Edited by Axionknight on Tuesday 21st April 12:49

Of course they aren't better off - Labour maxed out the credit cards - now we are having to pay it back. What's the answer - vote for Labour and you'll be £5 a week better off? We'll ignore the fact that they've borrowed billions to give you this money and your children we'll have to pay that off. But the next government will fix that, right?

I would suggest you read and inwardly digest Vaud's entry @1329...

I'm well aware of the UKIP manifesto. My post was aimed at the millions of people who clearly aren't.

Edited for appalling grammar.

The Tories are telling folk they are better off though, so obviously you don't believe them?

[wc98]

Vaud said:

I've just had a UKIP flyer through the letter box.

It's clear, articulate and well written for the local candidate who has set out reasonable and reasonably achievable goals that would actually make a noticeable difference within reasonable budget constraints.

in complete contrast to the one i received from broon today,promising to cure all with a mansion tax ,stealing more money from the tobacco companies and cracking down on tax avoidance,which i thought was legal .
written by morons to appeal to morons by the look of it.

[pointedstarman]

wc98 said:

in complete contrast to the one i received from broon today,promising to cure all with a mansion tax ,stealing more money from the tobacco companies and cracking down on tax avoidance,which i thought was legal .
written by morons to appeal to morons by the look of it.

Something I've been wondering (and sorry if it's been pointed out) but if Labour are clamping down on tax avoidance (sic) and at the same time going after non-doms for more tax (which I'm assuming will be somewhat labour intensive, no pun intended) where are the, so we are told, already stretched HMRC getting the resources from and how much will all this extra activity cost?

[Scuffers]

Symbolica said:

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/59048376...

If anybody missed this Mansion Tax interview on today's Daily Politics then I highly recommend taking 8 mins to listen to it

What a complete c0ckknob!

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Symbolica said:

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/59048376...

If anybody missed this Mansion Tax interview on today's Daily Politics then I highly recommend taking 8 mins to listen to it

What a complete c0ckknob!

I never used to be a fan of Andrew Neill, but he does those interviews very very well.

Alarming that that muppet didn't know what part of the house value would be taxed, nor the rate, but was adamant about how much the mansion tax would raise. Alas a point that Labour voters just won't care about...

[Axionknight]

Greg66 said:

I never used to be a fan of Andrew Neill, but he does those interviews very very well.

Alarming that that muppet didn't know what part of the house value would be taxed, nor the rate, but was adamant about how much the mansion tax would raise. Alas a point that Labour voters just won't care about...

WHAT DO WE WANT.....? Increased waste in the public services!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT.....? Now!

HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT.....? Who cares?

[Welshbeef]

Symbolica said:

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/59048376...

If anybody missed this Mansion Tax interview on today's Daily Politics then I highly recommend taking 8 mins to listen to it

Really key.

If they believe it will raise £1.2billion on mansion tax on properties over £2million then you have to calculate how many properties will sell during the timescale then it's simple a case of crudely divining £1.2billiong by number of house sales but that's not fair as you'll have some houses just over £2million while others will be sat £20million.

Also what happens if no one completes a sale in the 12months? Clearly it is paramount that the property market churns if it stalls then it will simply be more borrowing

[jonby]

Welshbeef said:

Symbolica said:

https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/59048376...

If anybody missed this Mansion Tax interview on today's Daily Politics then I highly recommend taking 8 mins to listen to it

Really key.

If they believe it will raise £1.2billion on mansion tax on properties over £2million then you have to calculate how many properties will sell during the timescale then it's simple a case of crudely divining £1.2billiong by number of house sales but that's not fair as you'll have some houses just over £2million while others will be sat £20million.

Also what happens if no one completes a sale in the 12months? Clearly it is paramount that the property market churns if it stalls then it will simply be more borrowing

you are describing stamp duty, which is already outrageously high on high value properties

nothing on the first £125,000 of the property price
2% on the next £125,000
5% on the next £675,000
10% on the next £575,000
12% on the rest (above £1.5 million)

mansion tax is an annual levy, regardless of whether the property changes hands. Rather like council tax

Surely a far better, simpler system is to remove the limits on council tax so that you pay a large annual sum on large value homes. I'm against mansion tax and against the silly high rates of stamp duty, but I don't see why the cap on council tax is so low - mansion tax is an ill thought out gesture politics tax whilst stamp duty is unfair as it taxes those who move home a lot far more than those who don't, but for council tax to not be progressive, by virtue of it's cap, is plain wrong

[Welshbeef]

jonby said:

you are describing stamp duty, which is already outrageously high on high value properties

nothing on the first £125,000 of the property price
2% on the next £125,000
5% on the next £675,000
10% on the next £575,000
12% on the rest (above £1.5 million)

mansion tax is an annual levy, regardless of whether the property changes hands. Rather like council tax

Surely a far better, simpler system is to remove the limits on council tax so that you pay a large annual sum on large value homes. I'm against mansion tax and against the silly high rates of stamp duty, but I don't see why the cap on council tax is so low - mansion tax is an ill thought out gesture politics tax whilst stamp duty is unfair as it taxes those who move home a lot far more than those who don't, but for council tax to not be progressive, by virtue of it's cap, is plain wrong

Ok so who's going to value all the properties and at what cost? Who will agree the valuations? If someone came along and told me my house was worth £2,000,005 I'd tell them where to go. In fact the policy could cause a property price fall this moving them below this level.
Will they be revalued annually to capture the house price changes? If not and prices go up then those not caught initially will get away with it.

[Scuffers]

One assumes they will use the same data used for council tax calculations, with suitable uplift to get to today's values?

Can see this being fraught with issues, arguments over valuations, etc.etc.etc.

Really can't see it making anything like £1.2bn pa.

[jonby]

Welshbeef said:

jonby said:

you are describing stamp duty, which is already outrageously high on high value properties

nothing on the first £125,000 of the property price
2% on the next £125,000
5% on the next £675,000
10% on the next £575,000
12% on the rest (above £1.5 million)

mansion tax is an annual levy, regardless of whether the property changes hands. Rather like council tax

Surely a far better, simpler system is to remove the limits on council tax so that you pay a large annual sum on large value homes. I'm against mansion tax and against the silly high rates of stamp duty, but I don't see why the cap on council tax is so low - mansion tax is an ill thought out gesture politics tax whilst stamp duty is unfair as it taxes those who move home a lot far more than those who don't, but for council tax to not be progressive, by virtue of it's cap, is plain wrong

Ok so who's going to value all the properties and at what cost? Who will agree the valuations? If someone came along and told me my house was worth £2,000,005 I'd tell them where to go. In fact the policy could cause a property price fall this moving them below this level.
Will they be revalued annually to capture the house price changes? If not and prices go up then those not caught initially will get away with it.

those are exactly the problems with both council tax and a mansion tax. In the instance of mansion tax, because it's not a marginal tax, the problems of houses hovering in value on the limit are immense. At least with council tax, is simply an extension the current system (which needs a house revaluation across the board badly now anyway) and it doesn't have that ridiculous marginal aspect