UK General Election 2015
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
How could a docker from Liverpool or a plumber from Portsmouth vote for Miliband they mean nothing to him.
Because they believe all the 'Tories are the nasty party' guff just enough that it scares them into doing so, sadly. My old man has been a Labour voter for most of his life and he recently admitted to me that he regrets it now.johnxjsc1985 said:
If Labours only policy is to take from the rich and give to the poor then dont expect the rich to hang around just to be buttf
ked by miliband.
The "Rich" now live in many different locations and will do what they always and have done for hundreds of years and make themselves richer.
I know who the Conservatives are but Labour are not Labour they are a bunch of rich young men and women who like to play at socialism as long as they dont have to live with the people they are so quick to represent.
How could a docker from Liverpool or a plumber from Portsmouth vote for Miliband they mean nothing to him.
Well when you think of how Labour turned their backs on the dockers when they got a sniff of power I would be very surprised to find a docker voting for them.ked by miliband.The "Rich" now live in many different locations and will do what they always and have done for hundreds of years and make themselves richer.
I know who the Conservatives are but Labour are not Labour they are a bunch of rich young men and women who like to play at socialism as long as they dont have to live with the people they are so quick to represent.
How could a docker from Liverpool or a plumber from Portsmouth vote for Miliband they mean nothing to him.
johnxjsc1985 said:
If Labours only policy is to take from the rich and give to the poor then dont expect the rich to hang around just to be buttfked by miliband.
Exactly. Apres Hollande le deluge, as they say.ked by miliband.This has probably already been posted earlier in the day - but it's not just 'the rich' that Miliband and his comrades have their sights on, not by a long shot.
The front page of today's Times covers a report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies which has been looking in detail and Labour's proposals.
They conclude that a Labour government would increase tax revenues by £12bn more than the Conservatives by the end of the decade, saddling every working family with more than £1000 in extra tax compared to Tory plans. Also Labour's slower approach to clearing the deficit would add an extra £90bn to the national debt, leaving the country more vulnerable (again) to the impact of another Brownturn.
CMD needs to keep the campaign focus on Labour's costly shambles of what they (Ed^2) call economic and tax planning aka fiasco. After all their Mansion tax howlers, Labour are ripe for a kicking.
I was raised in a poor area of Liverpool Mum stayed at home Dad after serving a full 6 years in WW2 worked in factories.
We had very little an outside toilet no hot water etc comedy stuff but it was our life.
So why would I despise Milband so much when really I should be his number one fan.
Its simple really despite my families humble abode and life we were told to be proud of who we where and work hard and depend on no-one especially the state.
This pride thing is something that is sadly missing. I know people who dont work and get a huge benefits package and yet they are to quote a well known phrase "shameless" and this is the Labour party today they will say and do anything to gain power they have no class and the point is wealth is not a measure of class.
We had very little an outside toilet no hot water etc comedy stuff but it was our life.
So why would I despise Milband so much when really I should be his number one fan.
Its simple really despite my families humble abode and life we were told to be proud of who we where and work hard and depend on no-one especially the state.
This pride thing is something that is sadly missing. I know people who dont work and get a huge benefits package and yet they are to quote a well known phrase "shameless" and this is the Labour party today they will say and do anything to gain power they have no class and the point is wealth is not a measure of class.
turbobloke said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
If Labours only policy is to take from the rich and give to the poor then dont expect the rich to hang around just to be buttfked by miliband.
Exactly. Apres Hollande le deluge, as they say.ked by miliband.This has probably already been posted earlier in the day - but it's not just 'the rich' that Miliband and his comrades have their sights on, not by a long shot.
The front page of today's Times covers a report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies which has been looking in detail and Labour's proposals.
They conclude that a Labour government would increase tax revenues by £12bn more than the Conservatives by the end of the decade, saddling every working family with more than £1000 in extra tax compared to Tory plans. Also Labour's slower approach to clearing the deficit would add an extra £90bn to the national debt, leaving the country more vulnerable (again) to the impact of another Brownturn.
CMD needs to keep the campaign focus on Labour's costly shambles of what they (Ed^2) call economic and tax planning aka fiasco. After all their Mansion tax howlers, Labour are ripe for a kicking.
P5Nij said:
I don't understand why the Tories aren't hovering over Miliband getting stuck in with both size nines, maybe they're waiting for something catasprophic to happen to the Labour campaign so they won't have to, but I wish they'd just get on with it and kick the opposition into touch. They have a golden opportunity to make Labour unelectable for yet they seem to be holding back. The most important thing in this election is to keep Labour out.
I keep thinking that they are biding their time and at some point they will hit him so hard that he has no time to recover.I bloody well hope so John!
At work yesterday, with far too much idle time on my hands for some reason I was thinking about John Smith.... if he hadn't passed away when he did, would the political landscape of the last eighteen years have been very different, and where would the lines be drawn now? Labour have changed out of all recognition since those days, I feel as though they have turned their backs on everything they once stood for. I don't know about anyone else but I feel betrayed.
At work yesterday, with far too much idle time on my hands for some reason I was thinking about John Smith.... if he hadn't passed away when he did, would the political landscape of the last eighteen years have been very different, and where would the lines be drawn now? Labour have changed out of all recognition since those days, I feel as though they have turned their backs on everything they once stood for. I don't know about anyone else but I feel betrayed.
P5Nij said:
I bloody well hope so John!
At work yesterday, with far too much idle time on my hands for some reason I was thinking about John Smith.... if he hadn't passed away when he did, would the political landscape of the last eighteen years have been very different, and where would the lines be drawn now? Labour have changed out of all recognition since those days, I feel as though they have turned their backs on everything they once stood for. I don't know about anyone else but I feel betrayed.
Some of the most sincere politicians have come from the Labour Party of the past; people who believed what they promoted. Sadly the last of them died some time ago. I didn't agree with their policies, but respected their integrity and honesty.At work yesterday, with far too much idle time on my hands for some reason I was thinking about John Smith.... if he hadn't passed away when he did, would the political landscape of the last eighteen years have been very different, and where would the lines be drawn now? Labour have changed out of all recognition since those days, I feel as though they have turned their backs on everything they once stood for. I don't know about anyone else but I feel betrayed.
motco said:
Some of the most sincere politicians have come from the Labour Party of the past; people who believed what they promoted. Sadly the last of them died some time ago. I didn't agree with their policies, but respected their integrity and honesty.
No, the back benches still have loads from the pre-Blair era. Frank Field? Hell even John Prescott, and others. They just dont have the influence they used to have. Blair killed that. 
s2art said:
motco said:
Some of the most sincere politicians have come from the Labour Party of the past; people who believed what they promoted. Sadly the last of them died some time ago. I didn't agree with their policies, but respected their integrity and honesty.
No, the back benches still have loads from the pre-Blair era. Frank Field? Hell even John Prescott, and others. They just dont have the influence they used to have. Blair killed that. Strange to use his name in a paragraph of politicians believing what they promote.
P5Nij said:
I bloody well hope so John!
At work yesterday, with far too much idle time on my hands for some reason I was thinking about John Smith.... if he hadn't passed away when he did, would the political landscape of the last eighteen years have been very different, and where would the lines be drawn now? Labour have changed out of all recognition since those days, I feel as though they have turned their backs on everything they once stood for. I don't know about anyone else but I feel betrayed.
I liked and respected John Smith his death led to the rise of TonyfAt work yesterday, with far too much idle time on my hands for some reason I was thinking about John Smith.... if he hadn't passed away when he did, would the political landscape of the last eighteen years have been very different, and where would the lines be drawn now? Labour have changed out of all recognition since those days, I feel as though they have turned their backs on everything they once stood for. I don't know about anyone else but I feel betrayed.
kn Blsir.
johnxjsc1985 said:
P5Nij said:
I don't understand why the Tories aren't hovering over Miliband getting stuck in with both size nines, maybe they're waiting for something catasprophic to happen to the Labour campaign so they won't have to, but I wish they'd just get on with it and kick the opposition into touch. They have a golden opportunity to make Labour unelectable for yet they seem to be holding back. The most important thing in this election is to keep Labour out.
I keep thinking that they are biding their time and at some point they will hit him so hard that he has no time to recover.To be honest, the Tory campaign has been poor. It's lacking direction and intensity.
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