UK General Election 2015

[funkyrobot]

I've decided that I would be happy with Labour winning this one.

The reason for this is because I want all of the muppets who wish to vote for that shower to get what they want. Once they have this, it'll be very interesting to see their reaction as the idiots mess everything up.

I also want the same to happen for any other little niche party that focuses on one thing. I want them to win so people realise that groups like this simply cannot do anything apart from shout and moan as the opposition.

Have your little election win and let's see how you do.

[BlackLabel]

greygoose said:

Cameron can't even commit to a football team in his quest to pretend to be a man of the people, he mixed up Aston Villa and West Ham today.

[Scuffers]

Really?

You do know there's not a replay button don't you?

[BlackLabel]

[speedy_thrills]

funkyrobot said:

Have your little election win and let's see how you do.

In a global market that's lifting the UKs economy and BOE keeping the pumps on? Risky strategy.

[Axionknight]

greygoose said:

Cameron can't even commit to a football team in his quest to pretend to be a man of the people, he mixed up Aston Villa and West Ham today.

Both are fairly similar in terms of terrible-ness, to be fair to D.C

[funkyrobot]

speedy_thrills said:

funkyrobot said:

Have your little election win and let's see how you do.

In a global market that's lifting the UKs economy and BOE keeping the pumps on? Risky strategy.

Indeed. But so many people seem to think that the opposition will do a better job. So let's see what they can really do.

Labour should have won the last election. It's terrible to think that things were so bad that nobody alone defeated Labour last time out.

Look at the state of the country. The popularity of things like Jeemy Kyle, the X Factor and st on Facebook are indicators of what the masses are like.

I still can't believe the vitriol aimed at Thatcher too. The woman was in parliament decades ago but people still blame her for their problems today.

Have your little Labour SNP government and put your money where your mouth is.

• In all honesty, they are all a bunch of idiots. Whoever gets in won't base any decisions on common sense. A referendum on Europe and the end of the war on the motorist eh? Pull the other one!

[funkyrobot]

Axionknight said:

greygoose said:

Cameron can't even commit to a football team in his quest to pretend to be a man of the people, he mixed up Aston Villa and West Ham today.

Both are fairly similar in terms of terrible-ness, to be fair to D.C

Ooh, someone can't be Prime Minister because he mixed up two football teams? Really? What a stupid thing to say.

We don't all follow the silly game where thugs kick a sack of air around.

[majordad]

I'm enjoying this thread , unlike many recent PH ones it's informative, balanced and friendly enough, especially since it's politics ! Keep her lit.

[Art0ir]

Cameron's referendum promise is null and void. There will be no conservative majority in the next parliament and therefore no referendum.

Rolling that argument out (which perhaps had some merit six months ago) is nonsensical.

[pingu393]

Had to go out to do a job and just got back. Anyway, if 1/3 of Con voters and 1/3 of Lab voters switched to UKIP (and UKIPs original voters stayed with them), the result would be...

Con 178
Lab 172 (132)
LD 128
UKIP 110
DUP 8
SNP 7 (47)
PC 5
SF 5
SDLP 3
Grn 1
APNI 1
Ind 1
Spk 1

But we are fairly sure that SNP are going to take 40ish seats off Lab, so Lab would drop to 132 and SNP would go up to 47.

[MartinQ]

I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, but what happens regarding the fixed term parliament if the election has to be rerun in 6-12 months time. Does the five years count from the original election, or the rerun?

[rover 623gsi]

there will not be a second election - the idea of another election is only being bandied around by desperate Tory voters in the vain hope that a Lab/SNP govt can be brought down quickly

[Axionknight]

funkyrobot said:

Axionknight said:

greygoose said:

Cameron can't even commit to a football team in his quest to pretend to be a man of the people, he mixed up Aston Villa and West Ham today.

Both are fairly similar in terms of terrible-ness, to be fair to D.C

Ooh, someone can't be Prime Minister because he mixed up two football teams? Really? What a stupid thing to say.

We don't all follow the silly game where thugs kick a sack of air around.

Please point out where I said that...... I was actually on his side on the issue, and clearly made light of the situation.

Don't let the truth get in the way of your bigoted ramblings though - you give those thugs what for!

Edited by Axionknight on Sunday 26th April 07:41

[zygalski]

pingu393 said:

Had to go out to do a job and just got back. Anyway, if 1/3 of Con voters and 1/3 of Lab voters switched to UKIP (and UKIPs original voters stayed with them), the result would be...

Con 178
Lab 172 (132)
LD 128
UKIP 110
DUP 8
SNP 7 (47)
PC 5
SF 5
SDLP 3
Grn 1
APNI 1
Ind 1
Spk 1

But we are fairly sure that SNP are going to take 40ish seats off Lab, so Lab would drop to 132 and SNP would go up to 47.

What is just as likely is that protest voting Tories many of whom switched to UKIP at the locals/Euros vote Conservative in May.
I think 5 seats for UKIP in May will be pushing it.

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zygalski said:

What is just as likely is that protest voting Tories many of whom switched to UKIP at the locals/Euros vote Conservative in May.
I think 5 seats for UKIP in May will be pushing it.

OK, I'll stick my neck out...

unless something dramatic happens in the next 11 days, I think they will get a dozen or so seats.

[h8tax]

I hate to say it, but I think us PHers are deluding ourselves if we think that a Lab/SNP government will destroy the country to the point that they wont get in again for a generation.

Last time, Labour royally screwed the country - there was literally "no money left" - and we allegedly entered an age of austerity - but in reality it had very little effect on most peoples' daily lives. The trains still ran, you could see a doctor, you got paid, the wheels still turned. Liberal media hysteria about "cuts" is actually zealous over-reporting of very minor trimming. Because the general population don't (or won't) understand economics they think the money to pay for the benefits society and the public sector just 'appears'. No matter how bad the public finances get, this will always be the case.

All that will happen is that the core support for a Lab/SNP will harden because there will be more benefits, more immigration and more public sector. The PH demographic will have to pay for it.

The left wing can quite literally create as many votes as they want to. The (slightly) right wing cannot.

The only hope is for an independent Scotland which would then remove coalition support for Labour, and English hostility towards financial support for Scotland grows. The reality BTW is that even an independent Scotland would still require infinite financial support from England anyway (see Eire circa 2008) - it will make no difference to the economics, but it might clarify English politics. I write that as a fervent opponent of Scottish independence btw.

[flyingvisit]

h8tax said:

I hate to say it, but I think us PHers are deluding ourselves if we think that a Lab/SNP government will destroy the country to the point that they wont get in again for a generation.

Last time, Labour royally screwed the country - there was literally "no money left" - and we allegedly entered an age of austerity - but in reality it had very little effect on most peoples' daily lives. The trains still ran, you could see a doctor, you got paid, the wheels still turned. Liberal media hysteria about "cuts" is actually zealous over-reporting of very minor trimming. Because the general population don't (or won't) understand economics they think the money to pay for the benefits society and the public sector just 'appears'. No matter how bad the public finances get, this will always be the case.

All that will happen is that the core support for a Lab/SNP will harden because there will be more benefits, more immigration and more public sector. The PH demographic will have to pay for it.

The left wing can quite literally create as many votes as they want to. The (slightly) right wing cannot.

The only hope is for an independent Scotland which would then remove coalition support for Labour, and English hostility towards financial support for Scotland grows. The reality BTW is that even an independent Scotland would still require infinite financial support from England anyway (see Eire circa 2008) - it will make no difference to the economics, but it might clarify English politics. I write that as a fervent opponent of Scottish independence btw.

I agree. The left have imported millions of voters, they have the public sector sown up, and the benefit class will always vote (if they can be arsed) for the Party of the Magic Money Tree. We are now approaching a permanent Labour governement (or left wing coalition - same difference). Only Scottish independence can save England.

[MGJohn]

flyingvisit said:

The left have imported millions of voters, they have the public sector sown up, and the benefit class will always vote (if they can be arsed) for the Party of the Magic Money Tree. We are now approaching a permanent Labour governement (or left wing coalition - same difference). Only Scottish independence can save England.

Both long and short term, that is precisely how I see things ..... very depressing.

Not only "They have the Public Sector sewn up"

BBC1 Andrew Marr show this morning.

Boris J. said:

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Because you're a BBC "Lefty" Journalist.
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Boris telling it like it is ~ maybe taking a leaf out of Farage's book.

We're still doomed and I'm still voting UKIP.

[MGJohn]

funkyrobot said:

I still can't believe the vitriol aimed at Thatcher too. The woman was in parliament decades ago but people still blame her for their problems today.

I can. She and her team of worst forms of Tories with their easy quick-fix solutions to so many of the UK's problems sewed the seeds of much of the longer term problems which have come to fruition today.

funkyrobot said:

Have your little Labour SNP government and put your money where your mouth is.

Ed M. is running rings round BBC leftie journalist Andrew Marr right now.

We're still doomed.

funkyrobot said:

• In all honesty, they are all a bunch of idiots. Whoever gets in won't base any decisions on common sense. A referendum on Europe and the end of the war on the motorist eh? Pull the other one!

All very sad.

Ed and Boris with Andrew right now ...