UK General Election 2015

[johnxjsc1985]

s2art said:

I am not so sure. My suspicion is that the SNP bigwigs really want a form of devo-max. That way they can still blame the evil Tories/English for anything that goes wrong.

Do you think Salmond is being kept on a short leash?.

[Axionknight]

s2art said:

I am not so sure. My suspicion is that the SNP bigwigs really want a form of devo-max. That way they can still blame the evil Tories/English for anything that goes wrong.

You forgot picking the tab up n' all.

[MGJohn]

Has it not yet occurred to Desperate Dave and his fellow Torys that to have a chance securing continuing tenancy of No.10 he needs to more closely align with the core attractions of UKIP. Because of those attractions, UKIP will no doubt take votes from the Torys which could be harmful but they will also take a good number from Labour. I know of three such voters, maybe four who mainly supported Labour in the past but are unlikely to ever do so again. There must be more former Labour voters doing likewise.

However Dave's party has always cow-towed to their paymasters rather than put the people first and that means ...

Ed will be taking his place in No.10 after May 8th, baring some act of God.

Despite all that... I'm still voting UKIP.

EDIT to add at 15:03:

Fed up with most Party spokesfolk now stating no way will they join with any minority party's members in the event that they do not secure an overall majority.

One on BBC1 right now doing just that.

Edited by MGJohn on Sunday 26th April 15:05

[jmorgan]

Wonder how far the claims of "we will not align with...." will last when the carrot that is the keys to number 10 are dangled if the votes lead that way after the count.

[Scuffers]

jmorgan said:

Wonder how far the claims of "we will not align with...." will last when the carrot that is the keys to number 10 are dangled if the votes lead that way after the count.

Exactly!

[JensenA]

MarshPhantom said:

JensenA said:

Sadly I think Labour will win due to the ignorance of reality that most of the population possess. It's easy for Labour to win.
A very simplistic apology is that of a Family with kids. Father Dave is saying "Look times are tough, we need to cut back for a few years, get the mortgage paid off, take holidays in England, and no more designer clothes for the time being, and you'll have to pay your own mobile phone bill, sorry Kids, but that's the way it is. And Mum Millicent is saying "We'll remortgage the house, you can have a new ipad and phone each, we'll pay the phone bills and were off to Disneyland next year".
Who will,the kids vote for?

Mother Millicent - We need to buy our son a wheelchair.

Father Dave - Tough. We can't afford it.

Mother Millicent - You're just pretending to be broke so you don't have to give me any money.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Sunday 26th April 12:27

That's exactly the point I was making, the ignorance of people like you who have no concept of reality, and spout utter bull$hit like that, and worse, actually believe it, you should get a Job script writing for Labour.

My father sadly died of cancer last year, the care he received from Father Dave, was second to none, and after his first bout of surgery, he even paid for social services to come round to his house, and install additional hand rails on the staircase, a hand rail outside the house, and build up the step on the outside door to help,him climb up.

[pingu393]

I've just built an Excel spreadsheet in which you can see the effects of various different swings between the parties. If anyone wants different swings added to the model, just let me know.(*)

http://www.porterbility.co.uk/Files/XLS/2015_Elect...

It's interesting how swings for one party benefit others before themselves.

For instance swings from Labour to SNP...

0% - 2% = No effect
3% - 9% = 1 LD gain
10% - 13% = 2 LD gains
14% = 2 LD gains and 1 SNP gain

So the first 13% of ex-Labour voters who vote SNP only benefit the Liberal Democrats.



(*) Swings modelled at the moment are
Con - UKIP (Eng)
Lab - UKIP (Eng)
LD - Con (Eng)
LD - Lab (Eng)
LD - UKIP (Eng)
LD - SNP (Scot)
Lab - SNP (Scot)
Con - SNP (Scot)

[dfen5]

If Labour do get in, I think Ed will suddenly find himself smeared in dolphin blood and swimming in a pool full of sharks.

Calendar man, win or lose.

[johnxjsc1985]

this is the man hiding in the wings never mind the SNP.

[bitchstewie]

Does anyone know why the gloves don't seem to be coming off and the tories are being so "nice" in this campaign?

Whilst I don't like negative campaigning, I don't get why I don't have tory after tory on my TV or the radio telling voters about the potential of voting Labour which is Sturgeon calling the shots.

I want to see Cameron spelling out that Ed cannot be trusted, I want to see someone holding Balls to account and asking voters "Do you want this man anywhere near the nations finances?" - why isn't any of this happening?

[turbobloke]

Poll for the Mail on Sunday: 4 in 10 UKIP supporters will switch their vote to the Conservatives to try to stop any SNP deal.

[johnxjsc1985]

turbobloke said:

Poll for the Mail on Sunday: 4 in 10 UKIP supporters will switch their vote to the Conservatives to try to stop any SNP deal.

I fI dont think my UKIP candidate can win I will switch to conservative. There is still hope.

[greygoose]

bhstewie said:

Does anyone know why the gloves don't seem to be coming off and the tories are being so "nice" in this campaign?

Whilst I don't like negative campaigning, I don't get why I don't have tory after tory on my TV or the radio telling voters about the potential of voting Labour which is Sturgeon calling the shots.

I want to see Cameron spelling out that Ed cannot be trusted, I want to see someone holding Balls to account and asking voters "Do you want this man anywhere near the nations finances?" - why isn't any of this happening?

The defence secretary tried it and it polled badly, IMO the conservatives should be trying to sell a positive vision of the future to inspire people to vote but their campaign has been lacklustre so far if not downright poor.

[Johnnytheboy]

I got doorstepped by the Greens this afternoon.

Nice young man in one of those middle eastern scarves and a silly hat and a fat bearded man in the kind of jumper you'd dig the garden in. Latter did the talking, boy was he persistent.

I tried to head him off by explaining that I was not an environmentalist, was a massive petrol head, and didn't want to vote for a party that would try and stop me driving everywhere as fast as I could. He effectively tried to tell me the greens were the party for the motorist.

I then tried to explain that I was a small state Tory that felt very suspicious of any party that wanted to end austerity and ban things and he still tried to say the Greens were the party for me.

In the end I said "look, I'm trying really hard to tell you to go away politely, but I'm running out of ways, if necessary I will deny climate change is happening", at which point he gave in.

[johnxjsc1985]

Johnnytheboy said:

I got doorstepped by the Greens this afternoon.

Nice young man in one of those middle eastern scarves and a silly hat and a fat bearded man in the kind of jumper you'd dig the garden in. Latter did the talking, boy was he persistent.

I tried to head him off by explaining that I was not an environmentalist, was a massive petrol head, and didn't want to vote for a party that would try and stop me driving everywhere as fast as I could. He effectively tried to tell me the greens were the party for the motorist.

I then tried to explain that I was a small state Tory that felt very suspicious of any party that wanted to end austerity and ban things and he still tried to say the Greens were the party for me.

In the end I said "look, I'm trying really hard to tell you to go away politely, but I'm running out of ways, if necessary I will deny climate change is happening", at which point he gave in.

I think you deserve an award two words are usually sufficient.

[Scuffers]

johnxjsc1985 said:

turbobloke said:

Poll for the Mail on Sunday: 4 in 10 UKIP supporters will switch their vote to the Conservatives to try to stop any SNP deal.

I fI dont think my UKIP candidate can win I will switch to conservative. There is still hope.

Covered this earlier, same article then said 30% lib/lab vote was going UKIP.

Basically, i think it's all trash talk as they havent got a clue.

[turbobloke]

Scuffers said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

turbobloke said:

Poll for the Mail on Sunday: 4 in 10 UKIP supporters will switch their vote to the Conservatives to try to stop any SNP deal.

I fI dont think my UKIP candidate can win I will switch to conservative. There is still hope.

Covered this earlier, same article then said 30% lib/lab vote was going UKIP.

Basically, i think it's all trash talk as they havent got a clue.

The polls say what they say but they may be saying the wrong thing when the result is known. Such is life in a sampled snapshot.

[pingu393]

Scuffers said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

turbobloke said:

Poll for the Mail on Sunday: 4 in 10 UKIP supporters will switch their vote to the Conservatives to try to stop any SNP deal.

I fI dont think my UKIP candidate can win I will switch to conservative. There is still hope.

Covered this earlier, same article then said 30% lib/lab vote was going UKIP.

Basically, i think it's all trash talk as they havent got a clue.

= Massive Tory majority (79) and 1 UKIP seat.

(and Respect would have won in Birmingham Hall Green)

It just shows that national swings are not very good indicators in our FPTP electoral system.

Edited by pingu393 on Sunday 26th April 20:19

[jmorgan]

johnxjsc1985 said:

this is the man hiding in the wings never mind the SNP.

Ohhhh, they are keeping quiet are they not...... I suspect The M dudes claims will get a sharp wake up when they tug the strings.

[johnxjsc1985]

jmorgan said:

Ohhhh, they are keeping quiet are they not...... I suspect The M dudes claims will get a sharp wake up when they tug the strings.

He proudly boasts the LAbour party is owned by the Unions .....sends a shiver down the spine