UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Boydie88 said:
It's a good point, but the supporters of them who have seen them change their mind on a few key policies surely won't stick to them?
They dropped policies when they were exposed to realityOther core policies have stayed
Some have been claimed by the toy party as their own
I don't remember the tory party campaigning to lift those on minimum wage out of income tax in the last election
McWigglebum4th said:
The Mad Monk said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Though lets be honest
This is the last election where Scotland will be part of the UK
Though let's be honest.This is the last election where Scotland will be part of the UK
Who cares?
And 55% of the people are nice and pleasant
Seeyouzjammy...
Now be off with you to hunt the Wild Haggis in the Trossachs... dinnee forgit ya Porrage before youz go..
I am puzzled at the vitriol towards the Lib Dems from some of their (former) supporters. If you are the minor party in a coalition government you are never going to get all of your policies and you will have to make compromises. But surely (whichever party you support) it is better to have some influence rather than none.
Boydie88 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I see them as exactly the opposite
They sided with the tories to help get us out of the s
t labour left us in
I would happily vote Lib Dem
It's a good point, but the supporters of them who have seen them change their mind on a few key policies surely won't stick to them?They sided with the tories to help get us out of the s
t labour left us inI would happily vote Lib Dem
rover 623gsi said:
I am puzzled at the vitriol towards the Lib Dems from some of their (former) supporters. If you are the minor party in a coalition government you are never going to get all of your policies and you will have to make compromises. But surely (whichever party you support) it is better to have some influence rather than none.
You are mixing up logic and emotion. The majority of the population will be voting based on emotion.Challo said:
Watched a few of the recent interviews from Labour stating alot of money will come from Bankers Bonuses, Tax Avoidance and Mansion tax (im sure more will come from elsewhere but these are good PR headlines for the 'hard working families'). Do they have any fall back plans on what happens if this money doesn't appear?
We know that if you are very rich you tend to be clever with your money and potentially easier to reduce the amount of addtional tax you need to pay.
Bankers Bonuses - Surely this will be reengineered to be paid differently and reduce the amounts paid.
Mansion Tax - This money is not going to come in right away and potentially lots being put off till you die...so does this mean a shortfall in revenue coming in
Tax Advoidance - No-one has been able to do this 100% so do they suddenly think they can enforce Amazon, Starbucks to suddenly hold there hands up and cough up millions of extra pounds each year?
With the Mansion Tax and the Bonus tax Labour will have so much money they will be able to fix everything and eliminate the deficit:We know that if you are very rich you tend to be clever with your money and potentially easier to reduce the amount of addtional tax you need to pay.
Bankers Bonuses - Surely this will be reengineered to be paid differently and reduce the amounts paid.
Mansion Tax - This money is not going to come in right away and potentially lots being put off till you die...so does this mean a shortfall in revenue coming in
Tax Advoidance - No-one has been able to do this 100% so do they suddenly think they can enforce Amazon, Starbucks to suddenly hold there hands up and cough up millions of extra pounds each year?
11 things Labour will use the backers tax for
SilverSixer said:
Boydie88 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I see them as exactly the opposite
They sided with the tories to help get us out of the st labour left us in
I would happily vote Lib Dem
It's a good point, but the supporters of them who have seen them change their mind on a few key policies surely won't stick to them?They sided with the tories to help get us out of the s
t labour left us inI would happily vote Lib Dem
Clegg should be personally applauded by setting the pattern of play for minor parties in forming coalitions; ie look first at the party with the most number of seats, ergo the largest mandate, rather than the one that will give the biggest concessions/feel most comfortable. I sadly fear that the chances of that bloody sturgeon woman taking the same statesmanlike approach is less than nil
MGJohn said:
Desperate Dave's BREXIT get out clause.
He will only entertain a EU Referendum if he's returned with a majority.
All clever stuff.
But he was asked about that very specifically years ago if his promise of a referendum would hold in the event of another coalition. For once he was very clear that he would not head up any government that would not offer a referendum. He will only entertain a EU Referendum if he's returned with a majority.
All clever stuff.
So is it once again that he needs to call Trumpton to extinguish his burning pants.
Cue usual suspects rushing in to say he isn't turning or reneging or whatever. Trouble is they aren't Trumpton and haven't worked out that throwing petrol into the flames just annoys more people than it pleases.
ClaphamGT3 said:
History will judge Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems much more favourably than the contemporary electorate. They have remained politically principled and active whilst behaving responsibly in Government to address the shocking social and economic collapse brought about by thirteen dark years of the New Labour project.
Clegg should be personally applauded by setting the pattern of play for minor parties in forming coalitions; ie look first at the party with the most number of seats, ergo the largest mandate, rather than the one that will give the biggest concessions/feel most comfortable. I sadly fear that the chances of that bloody sturgeon woman taking the same statesmanlike approach is less than nil
I have to agree with this in general. The LibDems have been consistent throughout. Clegg should be personally applauded by setting the pattern of play for minor parties in forming coalitions; ie look first at the party with the most number of seats, ergo the largest mandate, rather than the one that will give the biggest concessions/feel most comfortable. I sadly fear that the chances of that bloody sturgeon woman taking the same statesmanlike approach is less than nil
Sadly it doesn't alter my view that largely their policies will not make me vote for them ever again. Ah the folly of youth.
Agree also in particular about Sturgeon and Salmond. They are as statesmanlike and unselfish as our puppy when faced with a bowl of chicken.
MGJohn said:
..... Desperate Dave is today launching his small business Policy.
Hoo-bleedin'-Ray for that! 'Bout bluddy time! Small business may not be his Party's favourite benefactiors but they keep this nation surviving much moreso than the Tory's BIG Business paymasters.
Oddly enough the Tories I hear seem to be wholeheartedly supportive of small business and keen to make things as easy as possible recognising the reality that the growth in job/fall in unemployment is massively driven by people being entrepreneurial with a supporting hand from big business.Hoo-bleedin'-Ray for that! 'Bout bluddy time! Small business may not be his Party's favourite benefactiors but they keep this nation surviving much moreso than the Tory's BIG Business paymasters.
How successful they've actually been in making life easier for small businesses or just not making it harder is up for debate though!
FiF said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
History will judge Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems much more favourably than the contemporary electorate. They have remained politically principled and active whilst behaving responsibly in Government to address the shocking social and economic collapse brought about by thirteen dark years of the New Labour project.
Clegg should be personally applauded by setting the pattern of play for minor parties in forming coalitions; ie look first at the party with the most number of seats, ergo the largest mandate, rather than the one that will give the biggest concessions/feel most comfortable. I sadly fear that the chances of that bloody sturgeon woman taking the same statesmanlike approach is less than nil
I have to agree with this in general. The LibDems have been consistent throughout. Clegg should be personally applauded by setting the pattern of play for minor parties in forming coalitions; ie look first at the party with the most number of seats, ergo the largest mandate, rather than the one that will give the biggest concessions/feel most comfortable. I sadly fear that the chances of that bloody sturgeon woman taking the same statesmanlike approach is less than nil
Sadly it doesn't alter my view that largely their policies will not make me vote for them ever again. Ah the folly of youth.
Agree also in particular about Sturgeon and Salmond. They are as statesmanlike and unselfish as our puppy when faced with a bowl of chicken.
Having said that, why oh why they voted down the boundary reforms is beyond me, it seems at odds so much with their other behaviour. It also leaves us with the shocking prospect that a Miliband parliament unless voted in by a landslide (which ain't gonna happen) will be a gerrymandered parliament.
Along with the SNP lunacy over Trident, I can see the potential for people having bayonets pointed at them.
Challo said:
Watched a few of the recent interviews from Labour stating alot of money will come from Bankers Bonuses, Tax Avoidance and Mansion tax (im sure more will come from elsewhere but these are good PR headlines for the 'hard working families'). Do they have any fall back plans on what happens if this money doesn't appear?
scary isnt it?the rhetoric of envy at it's worse...
just to put some scale to the problems, if you look at the rich list that's just come out, apparently the top 1,000 richest in the country add up to £547bn.
sounds impressive till you think that this is only a third of the national debt, and less than the national debt has gone up over the last 5 years.
so, even if we bankrupted the top 1,000 richest people, in reality, it would make very little difference to the countries finances.
MGJohn said:
Desperate Dave's BREXIT get out clause.
He will only entertain a EU Referendum if he's returned with a majority.
All clever stuff.
YAAAAAAAWN !He will only entertain a EU Referendum if he's returned with a majority.
All clever stuff.
(and also b
ks)Since when is this new or news?
If he doesn't have a majority he can't guarantee to deliver it.
That does not mean that he wouldn't try & deliver it without a majority but it recognises the possibility/probability that it may get killed off in coalition negotiations or not generate enough support via confidence & supply.
Use of the words "will only entertain" therefore somewhat misleading (in a Kipperish kinda way
)Zod said:
At what point do we all just accept that the polls are just talking crap?it's pretty obvious they are little better than guessing, for whatever reason, be is sample size or questions asked etc etc etc.
to have polls done on the same day with 50% difference in the results kind of makes the point for me.
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