UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Boydie88 said:
IainT said:
Exactly!
Boydie - the projections take into account longer life-spans that are a result of healthcare and dietary improvements. The underlying driver is the replacement birth rates and the stable birth rates of wealthy societies. From memory each (western) couple needs to have 2.1 children to maintain stable population (average, accounting for early accidental deaths, infertility and choice).
EU average is 1.6 children per woman. 1.88 in the US.
If we are still increasing world population at an alarming rate (compared to the age of the planet), will we get a point where the 'third world' no longer exists and every woman is having 2.1 children before the world population is unsustainable? In nature, the goal of life is to reproduce. What makes you think humans will act differently?Boydie - the projections take into account longer life-spans that are a result of healthcare and dietary improvements. The underlying driver is the replacement birth rates and the stable birth rates of wealthy societies. From memory each (western) couple needs to have 2.1 children to maintain stable population (average, accounting for early accidental deaths, infertility and choice).
EU average is 1.6 children per woman. 1.88 in the US.
Anyway, this is all going a bit beyond welfare caps. As the video shows, money tends to mean healthy kids. So maybe kids 1 and 2 should be helped towards by the state in the sense of a credit that can only be spent on the kid's future. But beyond that, not in my opinion. It's then irresponsible parenting.
Age of the planet is irrelevant and food production is more than capable of keeping up. Yet there may be some compromises - sadly meat takes far more resource than grain, as a meataholic this pains me and I count myself very lucky to live in great abundance. It's not even certain that compromises will be needed given the projected growth and peak before population begins to decrease and the potential for our ingenuity to overcome issues.
What is abundantly clear is that, if we want to improve OUR standards of living it's increasingly tied to that of others and the best outcomes for us are to ensure that the outcomes for the rest of the planet are good. Supporting education, farming/industry and health-care initiatives in the most deprived places.
Axionknight said:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaye the olden days, where nobody had an inside toilet and international travel or surviving cancer was a pipe dream for many - those were the good old days, boy we had it tough, not like you little s
ts today, we had to walk six miles to school and back - and it was uphill both ways!
.... and we lived in a cardboard box. Luxury!ts today, we had to walk six miles to school and back - and it was uphill both ways!You forgot that important facet of those distant good old days....
er... what's an inside toilet?
Mind you, you were seen immediately if you were unlucky enough to need A&E treatment. An Ambulance ride was 12/6d. Poor show. My British built Motor Cycle provided good employment for the folks in the Midlands and would do both 100mph ( legally ) and 100mpg depending on my mood. Yes, I was one of those ton-up boys chased by mobile plod in their Daimler SP250 on the North Circular. Petrol was something silly at a massive 12.5pence a Gallon and VAT a crippling 8% even under the socialist occupants of No.10. We were even given a referendum to vote on the European Community. Not the Union.
Yes, it was summut shocking. Hated every second ... plus 100s of jobs always to chose from if you fancied a change.... So there ...
Wiser youngsters of today ... well some are including my sons, but really, theyze don't know theyze born ya ken...
I'm still voting Nige ...
MGJohn said:
.... and we lived in a cardboard box. Luxury!
You forgot that important facet of those distant good old days....
er... what's an inside toilet?
Mind you, you were seen immediately if you were unlucky enough to need A&E treatment. An Ambulance ride was 12/6d. Poor show. My British built Motor Cycle provided good employment for the folks in the Midlands and would do both 100mph ( legally ) and 100mpg depending on my mood. Yes, I was one of those ton-up boys chased by mobile plod in their Daimler SP250 on the North Circular. Petrol was something silly at a massive 12.5pence a Gallon and VAT a crippling 8% even under the socialist occupants of No.10. We were even given a referendum to vote on the European Community. Not the Union.
Yes, it was summut shocking. Hated every second ... plus 100s of jobs always to chose from if you fancied a change.... So there ...
Wiser youngsters of today ... well some are including my sons, but really, theyze don't know theyze born ya ken...
I'm still voting Nige ...
All those cheaper things sound fantastic - how much did you earn out of interest? ;-)You forgot that important facet of those distant good old days....
er... what's an inside toilet?
Mind you, you were seen immediately if you were unlucky enough to need A&E treatment. An Ambulance ride was 12/6d. Poor show. My British built Motor Cycle provided good employment for the folks in the Midlands and would do both 100mph ( legally ) and 100mpg depending on my mood. Yes, I was one of those ton-up boys chased by mobile plod in their Daimler SP250 on the North Circular. Petrol was something silly at a massive 12.5pence a Gallon and VAT a crippling 8% even under the socialist occupants of No.10. We were even given a referendum to vote on the European Community. Not the Union.
Yes, it was summut shocking. Hated every second ... plus 100s of jobs always to chose from if you fancied a change.... So there ...
Wiser youngsters of today ... well some are including my sons, but really, theyze don't know theyze born ya ken...
I'm still voting Nige ...
Ken? Away with you and your foul jockanese!
OK, so I've checked out my local candidates, watched some of the leadership debates, even read some of the empty promises that are made in some of the manifesto's and I still have no idea how you are supposed to make your mind up on who to vote for.
For those that have made their minds up.....how on earth do you do it?
For those that have made their minds up.....how on earth do you do it?
NelsonP said:
OK, so I've checked out my local candidates, watched some of the leadership debates, even read some of the empty promises that are made in some of the manifesto's and I still have no idea how you are supposed to make your mind up on who to vote for.
For those that have made their minds up.....how on earth do you do it?
In my case:For those that have made their minds up.....how on earth do you do it?
My constituency is a Lib Dem/Tory marginal this time around - our Lib Dem MP is standing down this year. I've been quite happy with the way the government has been run this time and would in all honesty be quite happy with either the Lib Dem or Tory candidates - they seem like quite nice guys and have put a fair bit of effort into the local area over the last five years (not just the last five months!)
What made my decision is that if I vote Lib Dem and they get in here, it's one less seat the Tories have vs. Labour in parliament. So I'm voting Tory.
More generally speaking I think it's important not to focus on specific manifesto pledges. As it's going to be a coalition government a lot of any manifesto will be negotiated away.
NelsonP said:
OK, so I've checked out my local candidates, watched some of the leadership debates, even read some of the empty promises that are made in some of the manifesto's and I still have no idea how you are supposed to make your mind up on who to vote for.
For those that have made their minds up.....how on earth do you do it?
Easy. The question I ask myself is do I want a government that wants to encourage self reliance, for people to stand on their own two feet and live interesting and exciting lives or one that will turn Britons into a bunch of useless spongers solely dependent on government handouts be they of the benefit payment kind or an explosion in useless, overblown, wealth sapping civil servant jobs?For those that have made their minds up.....how on earth do you do it?
Once you answer that question then deciding who to vote for is very straight forward.
Can anyone shed some light on who the juddering fk the National Health Action Party are? (apart from a bunch health care professionials with too much time on their hands.)
They keep popping up on my FB feed claiming to be the only real opposition to my Conservative candidate now that the Lib Dem has been eliminated due to some sort of paperwork cock up. As my local MP had a 28% majority last time and UKIP are standing I would have thought they have no chance as according to Wikipedia the best ever result for this party was 2% of the number cast.
Would really like to know who's funding them. If it's Unison/Unite or if they are funding it themselves, in which case we would appear to paying them too much, which might be part of the problem...
To back this claim there is a link on their site to a betting exchange to see the latest odds but I'm guessing the local candidate is irony deficient as she is a specialist in mental health, which probably includes addiction and therefore gambling...
Maybe I should start a Motor Trade Action Party to make sure no one takes away my cushy number.
k the National Health Action Party are? (apart from a bunch health care professionials with too much time on their hands.)They keep popping up on my FB feed claiming to be the only real opposition to my Conservative candidate now that the Lib Dem has been eliminated due to some sort of paperwork cock up. As my local MP had a 28% majority last time and UKIP are standing I would have thought they have no chance as according to Wikipedia the best ever result for this party was 2% of the number cast.
Would really like to know who's funding them. If it's Unison/Unite or if they are funding it themselves, in which case we would appear to paying them too much, which might be part of the problem...
To back this claim there is a link on their site to a betting exchange to see the latest odds but I'm guessing the local candidate is irony deficient as she is a specialist in mental health, which probably includes addiction and therefore gambling...
Maybe I should start a Motor Trade Action Party to make sure no one takes away my cushy number.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Can anyone shed some light on who the juddering fk the National Health Action Party are? (apart from a bunch health care professionials with too much time on their hands.)
They keep popping up on my FB feed claiming to be the only real opposition to my Conservative candidate now that the Lib Dem has been eliminated due to some sort of paperwork cock up. As my local MP had a 28% majority last time and UKIP are standing I would have thought they have no chance as according to Wikipedia the best ever result for this party was 2% of the number cast.
Would really like to know who's funding them. If it's Unison/Unite or if they are funding it themselves, in which case we would appear to paying them too much, which might be part of the problem...
To back this claim there is a link on their site to a betting exchange to see the latest odds but I'm guessing the local candidate is irony deficient as she is a specialist in mental health, which probably includes addiction and therefore gambling...
Maybe I should start a Motor Trade Action Party to make sure no one takes away my cushy number.
My brother (who is a nurse and seems to have been hooked by Labour) shares loads of their drivel on his FB feed. Every time I log on, I see loads and loads of NHA propaganda.k the National Health Action Party are? (apart from a bunch health care professionials with too much time on their hands.)They keep popping up on my FB feed claiming to be the only real opposition to my Conservative candidate now that the Lib Dem has been eliminated due to some sort of paperwork cock up. As my local MP had a 28% majority last time and UKIP are standing I would have thought they have no chance as according to Wikipedia the best ever result for this party was 2% of the number cast.
Would really like to know who's funding them. If it's Unison/Unite or if they are funding it themselves, in which case we would appear to paying them too much, which might be part of the problem...
To back this claim there is a link on their site to a betting exchange to see the latest odds but I'm guessing the local candidate is irony deficient as she is a specialist in mental health, which probably includes addiction and therefore gambling...
Maybe I should start a Motor Trade Action Party to make sure no one takes away my cushy number.
I'm interested to know who they are too.
Axionknight said:
All those cheaper things sound fantastic - how much did you earn out of interest? ;-)
Ken? Away with you and your foul jockanese!
Eeee-by-gum lad...Gorn all Northern now... Ken? Away with you and your foul jockanese!
Late 1950s, I actually earned three quid for a five and a half day week. Ran a car ( 1930s Morris 10-4 ), fed myself and paid my way ... no benefits and my employer soon rewarded me with a 66.67% rise in pay. So I was then on a fiver a week
.Then come the early 1960s, by putting in a good days work for a good days pay, I was on more than twenty quid a week. Above National average so I was able to run my first MG... this one. Couldn't afford colour prints though...
Great days gorn forever...
I was clearing old some old documents a few years back. Invoice for a brand new Mini 1000 I bought all those years ago. £702 On-The-Road price...
Needed something very economical to run as we were saving up for a deposit for a house. Did over 110,000 miles in that Mini 1000 never missed a beat but I serviced it! I travelled in my job ~ and about six years later sold it for .... £400! How's that for value for money. Wish I still had it and two other new Mini 1000s I also bought new in later years. Worth a lot more now... Great days gorn forever.
http://nhap.org/join-us-nhs-fightback/national-hea...
Info on the founding members, but nothing mentioned as to potential funding sources/backers (if any exist) mentioned.
Info on the founding members, but nothing mentioned as to potential funding sources/backers (if any exist) mentioned.
Munter said:
Interesting difference between Conservative and Labour majorities.
I think that with the potential loss of 41 MPs from Scotland Labour need a very large lead in the opinion polls to form an outright majority.Without their Scottish MPs, Labour would not have been able to form a majority government in 2005.
Even the landslide results in 1997 and 2001, without their Scottish MPs their majority would have been only 65 and 55 respectively
anonymous said:
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Thing is, I could afford stuff back then. Good choice of word "maybe". I was there saw the whole thing...
In the words of "Red Ed" ... let me tell you what I think. In fact what I think and believe...
... and at the same time, adopt the "Tell it like it is" Nigel style now. Sadly some things have changed enormously, and not for the better.
Mind you, Desperate Dave would most certainly not agree...
Guam said:
Following on from the Train Fraud Labour candidate we have this in the express
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/574121/EXCL...
Yep definitely a pro feminist party alright
19 year old at university had girlfriend. Went to a party. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/574121/EXCL...
Yep definitely a pro feminist party alright
Absurd.
I'd rather he didn't win the seat, but it would be wrong if an utter non story like that had any impact.
BlackLabel said:
So their odds show a CON. Majority is less likely than a CON-UKIP Coalition!Very interesting.
Deep Joy in this household should there be a "CON-UKIP Coalition"...
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