UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Ecosseven said:
If the SNP gain a few seats in Scotland and greens manage another MP or two I could see an informal Labour / SNP / Green alliance. God help us.........
Yeah, that prospect gives me the shivers too - but I can see it happening, certainly, here in Scotland, I would say the SNP will decimate the Labour vote - in some ways, it's a bad thing for me, seeing a larger SNP presence anywhere is no good thing IMO, but a reduced Labour presence is a God send. It's going to be tight and tricky no matter what happens - I think UKIP will continue on their current popular heading and really split the Tory vote, but I can't see them winning more than say, a dozen seats. Then all the die hard Tories, the ones left, anyway, will blame UKIP for getting Labour in via the back door, where in actuality what really has happened is that distiguishing the current Labour and Tory parties apart is now far more difficult than it should be, and due to that they decimated their own core vote by alienating many thousands of people.
The Lib Dems too have alienated a large part of their core vote this last few years - students being one such group, I think they'll be back in the political wilderness after May 2015, and they deserve it.
Have to say the whole SNP thing is a travesty of democracy if they win enough seats to force the agenda in the rest of the UK...
Did I imagine them losing the independence vote?
As for the Greens, who exactly is voting for them? is this the disenchanted LibDem vote that can't bring themselves to support Labour?
out of interest, what do people think the minimum/optimum number of seats UKIP have to gain to force the referendum though?
Did I imagine them losing the independence vote?
As for the Greens, who exactly is voting for them? is this the disenchanted LibDem vote that can't bring themselves to support Labour?
out of interest, what do people think the minimum/optimum number of seats UKIP have to gain to force the referendum though?
McWigglebum4th said:
Or the SNP form a coalition with the tory party if the tory party guarantee independence without a referendum
Which in many ways would be a great result
how so?Which in many ways would be a great result
they had a vote, they lost, not only in outright numbers, but in constituencies too, narrowly winning in only 4 of 32.
at what point do you have to concede that the majority have spoken?
this is not the EU where you keep voting till you get the answer you want is it?
Scuffers said:
how so?
they had a vote, they lost, not only in outright numbers, but in constituencies too, narrowly winning in only 4 of 32.
at what point do you have to concede that the majority have spoken?
this is not the EU where you keep voting till you get the answer you want is it?
The nationalists in scotland will never give up or acknowledge democracythey had a vote, they lost, not only in outright numbers, but in constituencies too, narrowly winning in only 4 of 32.
at what point do you have to concede that the majority have spoken?
this is not the EU where you keep voting till you get the answer you want is it?
I have got to the point i want out
And i want to see scotland wrecked by deeply left wing idiots after i have left
Not a nice way to feel but that is where i am today
Scuffers said:
how so?
they had a vote, they lost, not only in outright numbers, but in constituencies too, narrowly winning in only 4 of 32.
at what point do you have to concede that the majority have spoken?
this is not the EU where you keep voting till you get the answer you want is it?
If you are a Yesser? Never! they had a vote, they lost, not only in outright numbers, but in constituencies too, narrowly winning in only 4 of 32.
at what point do you have to concede that the majority have spoken?
this is not the EU where you keep voting till you get the answer you want is it?
Scuffers said:
As for the Greens, who exactly is voting for them? is this the disenchanted LibDem vote that can't bring themselves to support Labour?
out of interest, what do people think the minimum/optimum number of seats UKIP have to gain to force the referendum though?
Greens is the reverse of UKIP-younger people disenfranchised with labour as opposed to older people disenfranchised with the tories.out of interest, what do people think the minimum/optimum number of seats UKIP have to gain to force the referendum though?
Enough that they are 'kingmakers'. Sorry-rubbish answer!! Maybe 8??
cookie118 said:
Scuffers said:
As for the Greens, who exactly is voting for them? is this the disenchanted LibDem vote that can't bring themselves to support Labour?
out of interest, what do people think the minimum/optimum number of seats UKIP have to gain to force the referendum though?
Greens is the reverse of UKIP-younger people disenfranchised with labour as opposed to older people disenfranchised with the tories.out of interest, what do people think the minimum/optimum number of seats UKIP have to gain to force the referendum though?
Enough that they are 'kingmakers'. Sorry-rubbish answer!! Maybe 8??
The Cons as usual take advantage of that because instead of raising the expectations of the working class it keeps them where they want them.As such the Cons have an interest in and therefore a lot more in common with the Socialist groups like the Libdems and SNP 'and' Labour which is actually closer to the Cons and vice versa than the Cons are to UKIP.
As for UKIP it 'could' be just what is needed in the form of a party which recognises both the dangers of socialism 'and' the Cons with their exploitative form of Capitalism.However it is difficult to work out exactly where UKIP stands in that regard.Being that 'if' it really wants to work in the interests of the working class its immigration policy would be much stronger than that which it is proposing.With a protectionist economic policy which recognises that it is all about increasing income levels by increasing the demand for,and reducing the supply of,labour in the domestic economy.In which case staying the global free market economy and a continuing policy of non EU immigration certainly won't allow for that.In addition to which UKIP's support of maintaining the UK with Scotland etc contradicts its ( correct ) anti federalist ideology regarding the EU.Especially when that Scottish vote is against everything which UKIP stands for.
In view of all that,unless something radical happens within the Cons taking them at least closer to UKIP and both change to an English independence,anti EU,and anti global free market position,the next election will probably result in UKIP getting less influence in parliament than the SNP.With the Cons as they stand being part of the same LabLibdemGreenSNP alliance in parliament which takes the country to final economic and national oblivion.Torn between pandering to the interests of the socialists/federalists and the EU on one side and the global free market economy led by China on the other.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 20th December 16:12
Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 20th December 16:20
A summary of Ashcroft's constituency polls. I believe he has selected the most marginal ones to start with.
http://may2015.com/ashcroft/
http://may2015.com/ashcroft/
loafer123 said:
What does that mean? What about the swing to the SNP in Scotland?
He hasn't polled any Scottish constituencies yet. He has basically polled 100+ marginal constituencies in England (some of them twice) and has predicted (for that specific group of constituencies) 29 seats for Con (a change of -31 from last time round), 62 for Lab (a change of +48), 18 for the LDs (-19), 2 for UKIP and the Greens 1.McWigglebum4th said:
Scuffers said:
It's unbelievable that anybody can trust the labour party considering their track record and current front bench.
They don'tThey just want rid of that f
king tory southern Labour are voters vote labour to get rid of the tory party
Simple as that
from http://www.viewsoftheworld.net/?p=734
Scuffers said:
It's unbelievable that anybody can trust the labour party considering their track record and current front bench.
It is more unbelievable that anyone can support the Cons considering that they have been happy enough to rely on Labour MP's votes for support to defeat their own MP's and voter base on issues like HS2.Together with a development policy which is not much,if any, different to that of Prescott which the Cons supposedly said they opposed before the 2010 election.Their 'promises' on the EU are probably no more credible than their Labour type development policies in the South East.Which is one of the reasons why they lost both the council and parliamentary by elections to UKIP in Rochester.
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