UK General Election 2015
Discussion
Zod said:
Axionknight said:
Zod said:
The broadcasters are being provocative here. There is no justification for including nationalist or separatist parties in debates about the government of the whole of the UK.
What if those parties were to gain truly mainstream support at one point in the future?SNP should debate with Scottish Labour, Tories etc, in debate to be shown in Scotland only.
If the SNP could end up propping up a Govt, or a formal coalition partner, I, as an English voter, would like to know precisely how that would operate and equally precisely what price the SNP would extract for providing that support.
The SNP has a good chance of being the third largest party in Parliament in May. I don't think it can be left in the box labelled "Somewhere else in the UK". Not least because that potential outcome might influence how English voters vote in England.
The SNP has a good chance of being the third largest party in Parliament in May. I don't think it can be left in the box labelled "Somewhere else in the UK". Not least because that potential outcome might influence how English voters vote in England.
Esseesse said:
Seeing as many seem to think the SNP is a likely candidate for coalition government. The next question is, what would happen to the popularity of the Labour or Conservative party come 2020 after they've been dealing with the SNP for 5 years?
Question should only arise for Labour. Apart from anything else, the SNP have said that they would not go into coalition with the Tories. I think SNP would be a disastrous partner for anyone though. And Scotland would be given independence as the English would be sick of them
JustAnotherLogin said:
Question should only arise for Labour. Apart from anything else, the SNP have said that they would not go into coalition with the Tories.
I think SNP would be a disastrous partner for anyone though. And Scotland would be given independence as the English would be sick of them
Which is the exact aim of the SNPI think SNP would be a disastrous partner for anyone though. And Scotland would be given independence as the English would be sick of them
Sit in Parliament screaming english tory s day in day out until scotland gets chucked out of the union against the will of the majority of scotland
JagLover said:
Zod said:
Axionknight said:
Zod said:
The broadcasters are being provocative here. There is no justification for including nationalist or separatist parties in debates about the government of the whole of the UK.
What if those parties were to gain truly mainstream support at one point in the future?SNP should debate with Scottish Labour, Tories etc, in debate to be shown in Scotland only.
Also agreed that the broadcasters are being provocative and, at this stage, simply calling Cameron's obvious bluff.
FiF said:
Agreed, same for Plaid in Wales, hell they can even have the debate in Welsh, and same for DUP etc etc in Nor'n Ireland.
Also agreed that the broadcasters are being provocative and, at this stage, simply calling Cameron's obvious bluff.
I think Cameron will be happy with this format. So I don't think it is/was a bluff in that senseAlso agreed that the broadcasters are being provocative and, at this stage, simply calling Cameron's obvious bluff.
Though I see the DUP are now complaining
Of course another justification for the broadcasters' plan, and one that I think is actually quite good is that the cameron-miliband debate will the case for who should be PM, the other about which parties joint them in a coalition. And Plaid and SNP are just as likely there on the labour side at least,
Works out quite well in my view
Works out quite well in my view
JustAnotherLogin said:
FiF said:
Agreed, same for Plaid in Wales, hell they can even have the debate in Welsh, and same for DUP etc etc in Nor'n Ireland.
Also agreed that the broadcasters are being provocative and, at this stage, simply calling Cameron's obvious bluff.
I think Cameron will be happy with this format. So I don't think it is/was a bluff in that senseAlso agreed that the broadcasters are being provocative and, at this stage, simply calling Cameron's obvious bluff.
Though I see the DUP are now complaining
Wombat3 said:
Correct IMO, Cameron has played a blinder with this - the current proposal is a far better outcome for the Tories than the previous proposal. If it goes ahead as proposed Farage & the Greens & the SNP will all end up yelling at each other in the first two debates & in so doing turn people off, not on. I doubt the Tories will say much at all, powder will be kept dry for the 1-1 with Miliband which should be a bloodbath.
+1For over 300 years Scotland has been able to elect MPs from one party or another but get governed by an entirely different party (or parties) because the rUK voted differently.
Now, at the mere possibility that a Scottish party MIGHT have some influence over rUK policies, everyone is up in arms. So much for Better Together, We're All In This Together and other similar bullst.
Much as I would LOVE the SNP to win 55+ seats in May, I don't believe that will happen because current polling won't translate into seats won. Also, I fear too many of my countrymen will chicken out (or be scared off by the mainstream media like the EBC - look at this week's Question Time.
Meantime, I'm going to sit back and laugh my cock off at the double standards coming to the fore.
Now, at the mere possibility that a Scottish party MIGHT have some influence over rUK policies, everyone is up in arms. So much for Better Together, We're All In This Together and other similar bullst.
Much as I would LOVE the SNP to win 55+ seats in May, I don't believe that will happen because current polling won't translate into seats won. Also, I fear too many of my countrymen will chicken out (or be scared off by the mainstream media like the EBC - look at this week's Question Time.
Meantime, I'm going to sit back and laugh my cock off at the double standards coming to the fore.
GoneAnon said:
For over 300 years Scotland has been able to elect MPs from one party or another but get governed by an entirely different party (or parties) because the rUK voted differently.
Now, at the mere possibility that a Scottish party MIGHT have some influence over rUK policies, everyone is up in arms. So much for Better Together, We're All In This Together and other similar bullst.
Much as I would LOVE the SNP to win 55+ seats in May, I don't believe that will happen because current polling won't translate into seats won. Also, I fear too many of my countrymen will chicken out (or be scared off by the mainstream media like the EBC - look at this week's Question Time.
Meantime, I'm going to sit back and laugh my cock off at the double standards coming to the fore.
you and your 'cock' seem well suited.Now, at the mere possibility that a Scottish party MIGHT have some influence over rUK policies, everyone is up in arms. So much for Better Together, We're All In This Together and other similar bullst.
Much as I would LOVE the SNP to win 55+ seats in May, I don't believe that will happen because current polling won't translate into seats won. Also, I fear too many of my countrymen will chicken out (or be scared off by the mainstream media like the EBC - look at this week's Question Time.
Meantime, I'm going to sit back and laugh my cock off at the double standards coming to the fore.
How is Scotland any different to any other part of the UK? We all vote for an MP but are governed by the majority vote.
The reason 'everyone is up in arms' is because Scotland has been given even MORE of a sweetheart deal and its own devolved parliament and yet the cocks are talking about voting on English only matters.
I only wish your countrymen had the courage of their convictions and voted to leave the Union. Then you could have sunk or swum as masters of your own destiny.
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