UK General Election 2015

[Wombat3]

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

[Axionknight]

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/02/scottish-batt...

[PRTVR]

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

Did we not have two MPs defect from the conservative party who said so?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/19/uk...

But what would they know.

[anonymous-user]

PRTVR said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

Did we not have two MPs defect from the conservative party who said so?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/19/uk...

But what would they know.

What they know, and what they are prepared to say to advance their fledgling careers in a new party are wholly different things.

[turbobloke]

PRTVR said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

Did we not have two MPs defect from the conservative party who said so?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/19/uk...

But what would they know.

Carswell said:

Because Cameron’s not serious. It’s a smoke-and-mirrors referendum. His advisers told me the plan; it’s to work out from focus groups and pollsters what it would take to get the soft ‘outers’ and the undecideds to stay in, to offer them that, and once that hurdle is cleared to stick with the status quo.

[Axionknight]

A Tory politician lying about a European referendum?

Well blow me down.

[turbobloke]

Axionknight said:

A Tory politician lying about a European referendum?

Well blow me down.

Absolutely, it's shocking and unexpected. CMD is such a brick, there's nothing insubstantive about him at all, so direct and free from machination.

[Munter]

turbobloke said:

Carswell said:

Because Cameron’s not serious. It’s a smoke-and-mirrors referendum. His advisers told me the plan; it’s to work out from focus groups and pollsters what it would take to get the soft ‘outers’ and the undecideds to stay in, to offer them that, and once that hurdle is cleared to stick with the status quo.

So he's going to renegotiate for the things people want. And once that change is agreed then stay in europe.

That's not the status quo. Unless whatever you want is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVr9mHlUOuw
Then that is.

[Axionknight]

Hasn't the idea of renegotiation been trest with contempt by EU officials and other member states?

[Esseesse]

Axionknight said:

Hasn't the idea of renegotiation been trest with contempt by EU officials and other member states?

Indeed. So he's going to get a token, and no matter how small, spin it to make it sound like the things people want. And once that token is agreed, then stay in the EU.

And then we'll be back in this position in 5/10 years when people realise it was all bks. And even then there will be die hard Tory's on here insisting that voting Conservative is the only way to get real reform or to leave the EU.

[turbobloke]

Esseesse said:

And even then there will be die hard Tory's on here insisting that voting Conservative is the only way to get real reform or to leave the EU.

Possibly not...

[BlackLabel]

guardian said:

Labour’s general election campaign chairman, Douglas Alexander, and the Liberal Democrats’ economics spokesman, Danny Alexander, are two of the most high-profile projected casualties in Scotland at the general election, according to polling research by Lord Ashcroft that was prematurely released on Tuesday night.

The long-awaited polling in 16 constituencies in Scotland suggests a 21% swing from Labour to the Scottish National party (SNP). If the results were replicated across Scotland on 7 May, Labour would lose 35 of its 41 seats, making the prospect of an overall Labour majority at Westminster much more unlikely, and close to impossible.

The polling is the most detailed seat-by-seat assessment of the state of Scottish politicswith just three months before the election.

In the Labour-held constituencies, the overall swing to the SNP was 25.4%. This ranged from 21% in Airdrie & Shotts to 27% in Dundee West and Motherwell & Wishaw.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/04/labour-and-lib-dems-face-election-bruising-in-scotland-poll-predicts

[Axionknight]

I posted the link to Ashcrofts website above - it made for interesting reading, this really is going to be an interesting one, and the big question (in my mind anyway) is can Labour gain a seat in England for every seat they lose in Scotland?

I'd say no.

[confused_buyer]

Axionknight said:

I posted the link to Ashcrofts website above - it made for interesting reading, this really is going to be an interesting one, and the big question (in my mind anyway) is can Labour gain a seat in England for every seat they lose in Scotland?

I'd say no.

The current polls show the Tories about 2-3% ahead in England compared to about 10% ahead at the last General. Combine that with a potential collapse in LibDem support and it should see them picking up a lot of seats even if their own actual vote doesn't go up.

Probably not enough to deliver a majoroty but should be enough to make them the largest party.

[BlackLabel]

Axionknight said:

I posted the link to Ashcrofts website above - it made for interesting reading, this really is going to be an interesting one, and the big question (in my mind anyway) is can Labour gain a seat in England for every seat they lose in Scotland?

I'd say no.

The marginal polls which Ashcroft has been running suggests that they can.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/explo...

[Wombat3]

turbobloke said:

PRTVR said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

Did we not have two MPs defect from the conservative party who said so?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/19/uk...

But what would they know.

Carswell said:

Because Cameron’s not serious. It’s a smoke-and-mirrors referendum. His advisers told me the plan; it’s to work out from focus groups and pollsters what it would take to get the soft ‘outers’ and the undecideds to stay in, to offer them that, and once that hurdle is cleared to stick with the status quo.

Kippers, so predictable. "We say its a FACT & so its a FACT!" (delivered in a of Clarkson-esque manner) - oh yeees it is!


Anyone who knows who Rafa Benitez is might also appreciate the hilarity of this sort of crap.....and that's a FACT !

[Axionknight]

It all sounds pretty close, to me.

[Einion Yrth]

Wombat3 said:

turbobloke said:

PRTVR said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

Did we not have two MPs defect from the conservative party who said so?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/19/uk...

But what would they know.

Carswell said:

Because Cameron’s not serious. It’s a smoke-and-mirrors referendum. His advisers told me the plan; it’s to work out from focus groups and pollsters what it would take to get the soft ‘outers’ and the undecideds to stay in, to offer them that, and once that hurdle is cleared to stick with the status quo.

Kippers, so predictable. "We say its a FACT & so its a FACT!" (delivered in a of Clarkson-esque manner) - oh yeees it is!


Anyone who knows who Rafa Benitez is might also appreciate the hilarity of this sort of crap.....and that's a FACT !

What would you accept as evidence? Nothing less than a signed affidavit from weasel Cameron himself, I suspect. Even then you'd declare it a fake without DNA corroboration.

[Esseesse]

Einion Yrth said:

Wombat3 said:

Kippers, so predictable. "We say its a FACT & so its a FACT!" (delivered in a of Clarkson-esque manner) - oh yeees it is!


Anyone who knows who Rafa Benitez is might also appreciate the hilarity of this sort of crap.....and that's a FACT !

What would you accept as evidence? Nothing less than a signed affidavit from weasel Cameron himself, I suspect. Even then you'd declare it a fake without DNA corroboration.

Indeed, and who said it's a fact? It's an opinion based on what seems to be a reasonable amount of evidence.

[PRTVR]

Wombat3 said:

turbobloke said:

PRTVR said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

If Cameron manages a minority government or coalition, he's surely going to struggle to avoid a 2017 EU referendum.

You mean struggle to deliver it?

Could very well be the case.

He doesn't want to deliver it.

Why don't you provide some evidence to support that statement?

Did we not have two MPs defect from the conservative party who said so?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/19/uk...

But what would they know.

Carswell said:

Because Cameron’s not serious. It’s a smoke-and-mirrors referendum. His advisers told me the plan; it’s to work out from focus groups and pollsters what it would take to get the soft ‘outers’ and the undecideds to stay in, to offer them that, and once that hurdle is cleared to stick with the status quo.

Kippers, so predictable. "We say its a FACT & so its a FACT!" (delivered in a of Clarkson-esque manner) - oh yeees it is!


Anyone who knows who Rafa Benitez is might also appreciate the hilarity of this sort of crap.....and that's a FACT !

So let's get this straight, Cameron's position on the EU is pro, somebody who was at the Hart of the conservative party says thing that are showing Cameron as very pro EU, you think you know better ? I would be interested how you know it is lies.