Off Duty PC murdered for........being a Police Officer.

[killsta]

Had a quick search and couldn't see this posted anywhere else.

Seems an off duty cop has been recognised on his works Christmas night out and beaten to death in Liverpool.

I've no words.

RIP brother.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-30...

[waynedear]

Very sad thing, 28 year old man being held.
Jules and I walked past this morning going into town, felt weird, we normally cut through that street.

[V88Dicky]

Shocking.

Officers are told to be extra vigilant whilst on duty, wary of a threat from Jihadists etc. not to travel in uniform and so on.

Then this poor chap gets beaten to death while out for a Christmas drink


RIP

[Elroy Blue]

Where are all the posts of outrage from the usual suspects. They're always happy to post criticising Police

[V88Dicky]

[NDA]

I see that two police officers in New York have also been shot and killed whilst sitting in their patrol car.....

[anonymous-user]

Elroy Blue said:

Where are all the posts of outrage from the usual suspects. They're always happy to post criticising Police

Well, terrible as this is, perhaps they're waiting to find out what happened. The theory postulated in the thread title has not been confirmed as far as I know:

"Investigators are considering the possibility that the three men were attacked after being recognised as police officers, although a Merseyside Police spokesman stressed it was "not a set-in-stone motive"

This is an awful event, whatever the motive or status of the victim, let's not turn it into another pointless argument.

[HewManHeMan]

Elroy Blue said:

Where are all the posts of outrage from the usual suspects. They're always happy to post criticising Police

What a helpful post.

[Martin4x4]

The idea that he was "Targeted because he was a Police Officer" seems to be largely speculation. The reality is that serious random attacks by drunken thugs is becoming all to common. I think this problem is perpetuated because the system appear to treat these events as six of one and half a dozen of the other and doest make much effort to identify or punish the instigators unless we end up with fatal consequences. While this is allowed to continue there will be more families living with tragedy.

Edited by Martin4x4 on Sunday 21st December 10:46

[BlackLabel]

Regardless of the motive, what a tragedy for the dead man's family and friends.

[aw51 121565]

Martin4x4 said:

The idea that he was "Targeted because he was a Police Officer" seems to be largely speculation. ...

Edited by Martin4x4 on Sunday 21st December 10:46

Exactly . The word "may" is the fifth word in the title of the linked 'news' article and is the nineteenth word in the first paragraph. BBC does it again, eh??

Martin4x4 said:

... The reality is that serious random attacks by drunken thugs is becoming all to common. I think this problem is perpetuated because the system appear to treat these events as six of one and half a dozen of the other and doest make much effort to identify or punish the instigators unless we end up with fatal consequences. While this is allowed to continue there will be more families living with tragedy.

Edited by Martin4x4 on Sunday 21st December 10:46

I would say that it's still thankfully pretty rare - such attacks get reported in the media (as per this thread ) making us think things are very bad indeed... You can thank the media - all of it - for this ridiculous state of affairs .

If the media took it upon themselves to report on what happened to people on every night out in town, reports such as this would be very difficult to spot among the white noise of people not being attacked but making it home safely if worse for wear in some instances .

[valiant]

Quick question as someone has been arrested.

Should matey be convicted and I believe that sentencing has changed where the murder of a policeman is life without the possibility of parole, how does this work with an off duty copper? Will the same sentence be handed out being he wasn't killed in the line of duty but was known to be a policeman?

[Tannedbaldhead]

Was it murder? It was a violent attack with no mention of a weapon being used. If the perpetrator of this crime was out to thump people, as neds do pissed up on a Saturday night, and not expecting a victim to die isn't that manslaughter?

[Red 4]

valiant said:

Quick question as someone has been arrested.

Should matey be convicted and I believe that sentencing has changed where the murder of a policeman is life without the possibility of parole, how does this work with an off duty copper? Will the same sentence be handed out being he wasn't killed in the line of duty but was known to be a policeman?

I would have thought so.

2 men have now been arrested according to local media.

[otolith]

I don't think intent to kill is necessary for murder if there was intent to seriously injure?

[Red 4]

otolith said:

I don't think intent to kill is necessary for murder if there was intent to seriously injure?

Correct.

Intent to kill or cause GBH.

Offender must also be of sound mind and the killing must be unlawful (not self defence, etc.)

[Tannedbaldhead]

Red 4 said:

otolith said:

I don't think intent to kill is necessary for murder if there was intent to seriously injure?

Correct.

Intent to kill or cause GBH.

Offender must also be of sound mind and the killing must be unlawful (not self defence, etc.)

Where I come from the boys from the various mining villages batter lumps out of one another on sight. unlike Glasgow territorial disputes knives were never used. The kids just punched and kicked. I have no recollection of anyone ever dying but there have been enough one punch kills to show scrapping isn't a safe pastime. Are you saying that if someone had died partaking in such violence the person who carried out the attack is guilty of murder rather than manslaughter?

[Red 4]

Tannedbaldhead said:

Where I come from the boys from the various mining villages batter lumps out of one another on sight. unlike Glasgow territorial disputes knives were never used. The kids just punched and kicked. I have no recollection of anyone ever dying but there have been enough one punch kills to show scrapping isn't a safe pastime. Are you saying that if someone had died partaking in such violence the person who carried out the attack is guilty of murder rather than manslaughter?

Could be - depends entirely on the circs.

Alternatively, voluntary manslaughter could be the appropriate charge if there's an element of self defence.

[Eclassy]

valiant said:

Quick question as someone has been arrested.

Should matey be convicted and I believe that sentencing has changed where the murder of a policeman is life without the possibility of parole, how does this work with an off duty copper? Will the same sentence be handed out being he wasn't killed in the line of duty but was known to be a policeman?

I dont know the answer to this but what do you think? I dont think the profession of a victim should automatically have an effect on sentencing and it should be left to the judge to make the call.

A traffic warden was recently beaten uncounscious and hospitalised for giving someone a ticket. Whilst there is no special law for traffic wardens, I am sure a judge would take his profession into consideration in a trial.

According to reports by doormen who witnessed this event, there was an argument between 2 groups which then escalated and sadly the off duty policeman died.

It would be a travesty if the person responsible for the death of PC Doyle goes to prison for the rest of their life just because the victim happens to be a policeman but the killers of Ekram Haque only got 4 years for a totally unprovoked attack.

[NDA]

Is it likely that the victim told his attackers he was a Police officer? I would imagine this was highly likely.