Bin Lorry crashes in Glasgow

[onyx39]

Billyray911 said:

onyx39 said:

Puggit said:

Sky reporting the driver has left hospital after treatment. I'm no medical expert but that says to me it wasn't a heart attack. A fit, maybe...?

Someone else in need of a huge amount of support.

Sky has just retracted the above and state that the driver of the bin lorry remains in hospital and is in a stable condition

Edited by Billyray911 on Wednesday 24th December 13:11

Checking facts as always.
Of topic, a mate of mine used to work for them in IT support, and had to call them one evening to get them to pull a news story about a soldiers who iirc had been captured by the Iraqis in the 2nd Gulf war. They had pictures of the "prisoner" bring paraded, only problem was , the soldier was an action man doll.

:/

[mp3manager]

Dan_1981 said:

Pesty said:

hearing reports that two other people were in the cabin at the time.

BBC report has been updated to say that according to eyewitnesses two colleagues jumped out of the cab as it was moving along.

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

[ninja-lewis]

mp3manager said:

Dan_1981 said:

Pesty said:

hearing reports that two other people were in the cabin at the time.

BBC report has been updated to say that according to eyewitnesses two colleagues jumped out of the cab as it was moving along.

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

The third picture in the gallery in the below article shows two passengers exiting the stationary cab with assistance from firefighters. The article isn't clear as to whether they were in the rear cab and unable to reach the controls (quite possible given the multiple collisions with cars on the way) or not.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/gl...

[mp3manager]

ninja-lewis said:

The third picture in the gallery in the below article shows two passengers exiting the stationary cab with assistance from firefighters. The article isn't clear as to whether they were in the rear cab and unable to reach the controls (quite possible given the multiple collisions with cars on the way) or not.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/gl...

There is no rear part of the cab, that DAF CF is a normal 'day-cab' and is modified to carry a passenger in the centre. Both passengers can still easily reach the controls.

[Willy Nilly]

mp3manager said:

ninja-lewis said:

The third picture in the gallery in the below article shows two passengers exiting the stationary cab with assistance from firefighters. The article isn't clear as to whether they were in the rear cab and unable to reach the controls (quite possible given the multiple collisions with cars on the way) or not.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/gl...

There is no rear part of the cab, that DAF CF is a normal 'day-cab' and is modified to carry a passenger in the centre. Both passengers can still easily reach the controls.

It's best we wait for the facts before reacting to "reports" of people jumping from the cab.

It's quite likely that the people in the cab with the driver were agency staff. They are there to run behind and chuck stuff in the back of the lorry. So when they are in the cab with the driver and the poor bugger is having a heart attack and slumped over the steering wheel, their first reaction is likely to be fk! not lets calmly select N on the shifter and apply the parking brake and now I will give CPR while you ring the emergency services.

A bad day for the driver, his work mates, the people that got hurt and the people that have to sort it all out.

[jmorgan]

mp3manager said:

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

We were not there, we are not the people involved, no facts other than what we are picking up off the press. Before the mob is released with pitch forks and burning brands, we are not the best to dig in to it and never will be.




Back on topic.


Just awful.

[cossy400]

jmorgan said:

mp3manager said:

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

We were not there, we are not the people involved, no facts other than what we are picking up off the press. Before the mob is released with pitch forks and burning brands, we are not the best to dig in to it and never will be.




Back on topic.


Just awful.

Pretty much my thoughts.

[Vipers]

cossy400 said:

jmorgan said:

mp3manager said:

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

We were not there, we are not the people involved, no facts other than what we are picking up off the press. Before the mob is released with pitch forks and burning brands, we are not the best to dig in to it and never will be.




Back on topic.


Just awful.

Pretty much my thoughts.

Beat me to it, sincere condolences to the families.

[Super Slo Mo]

Willy Nilly said:

mp3manager said:

ninja-lewis said:

The third picture in the gallery in the below article shows two passengers exiting the stationary cab with assistance from firefighters. The article isn't clear as to whether they were in the rear cab and unable to reach the controls (quite possible given the multiple collisions with cars on the way) or not.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/gl...

There is no rear part of the cab, that DAF CF is a normal 'day-cab' and is modified to carry a passenger in the centre. Both passengers can still easily reach the controls.

It's best we wait for the facts before reacting to "reports" of people jumping from the cab.

It's quite likely that the people in the cab with the driver were agency staff. They are there to run behind and chuck stuff in the back of the lorry. So when they are in the cab with the driver and the poor bugger is having a heart attack and slumped over the steering wheel, their first reaction is likely to be fk! not lets calmly select N on the shifter and apply the parking brake and now I will give CPR while you ring the emergency services.

A bad day for the driver, his work mates, the people that got hurt and the people that have to sort it all out.

The other thing is, of course, if they're not truck drivers, they may not know what the hand brake lever is as it's a little different to a car. If they've never experienced an auto gearbox before, they may not know how to put it in neutral, and in the heat of the moment, it's easily possible for panic to take over and the flight or fight response to kick in.
In an intensely stressful situation cognitive thought processes sometimes go out of the window and your primal responses take over, this is why soldiers etc are trained to within an inch of their lives, so that when it matters, the trained instincts should take priority.

Unfortunately, we don't know how these two passengers responded, or what they went through; chances are, I'd suggest, that they had what felt like a split second to save themselves and bail out of a vehicle that's out of control. It's probably terrifying, and they could potentially have been killed themselves trying to wrest control of the truck, although I suspect their thought processes didn't even get that far, just 'get out, get out'.

A horrible situation, and if it were me, I'd probably be spending the rest of my life wishing I'd tried something. They too will need support.

[GG89]

mp3manager said:

Dan_1981 said:

Pesty said:

hearing reports that two other people were in the cabin at the time.

BBC report has been updated to say that according to eyewitnesses two colleagues jumped out of the cab as it was moving along.

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

I don't think they have serious questions to answer at all, you're jumping to conclusions. It's probably not their job to control this beast of a machine, they might not even have a drivers licence or know where the controls are. Not to mention the state of shock/panic they would be in. It's easy to say sitting behind your laptop but I feel sorry for the guys in the cab.

[bitchstewie]

mp3manager said:

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

Just guessing that if they were sat there watching their colleague having a heart attack whilst the vehicle they were in started to go out of control, perhaps they didn't have time to go on Google Images to look for a picture of the vehicle controls?

I mean come on, are you actually serious?

[Pesty]

No need to know all that. Edit although I don't belive they have never seen the driver engage and disengage the handbrake. But we don't know if it was put on and the torque overwhelmed it.

Reach over Pull leg off accelorator. Slide your leg down there and stop on brake? Steer into building where no people ( prob not possible cos busy) all depends on how fast how much time obviously.

They could have tried everything. Or just jumped out.

The report on this will no doubt be very thorough. And obviously anything is just speculation.


But I think the guys above have every right to ask and speculate. We all know some people are scared of their own shadows and some people are panicy types if they bailed out straight away without trying then yes they should be questioned

, or they could have been heroes who tried right up to the end. And only bailed then.

If the former then certainly questions need to be asked of them

All of this will come out

Edited by Pesty on Thursday 25th December 12:08

[greygoose]

I am not sure you can expect someone who may have no knowledge of driving a truck to know what to do or attempt it. The driver may have been a 20 stone bloke slumped over the wheel and there would be no way of moving him out of the way in a cramped cab to start pressing pedals. Add in crowds of people in the area and the situation would have been totally confusing for all concerned.

[Pesty]

greygoose said:

I am not sure you can expect someone who may have no knowledge of driving a truck to know what to do or attempt it. The driver may have been a 20 stone bloke slumped over the wheel and there would be no way of moving him out of the way in a cramped cab to start pressing pedals. Add in crowds of people in the area and the situation would have been totally confusing for all concerned.

Actually I think you can. Unless they just looked through the windows all day at squirrels daydreaming you can't help but see where the handbrake is and gear selector is. These are actions they will have seen the driver do time and time again day in day out.
Nit just people like us who have never been in one are they.

But they may have put it in neutral and they may have applied the brake. Or they may have just jumped out.

[JuniorD]

Maybe they did try all the possible actions discussed above, but without success? Who knows. It's all idle speculation and of no consequence now.

[Jasandjules]

Pesty said:

But they may have put it in neutral and they may have applied the brake. Or they may have just jumped out.

However, they may have been hugely panicked.

[HewManHeMan]

Do we have yet another PH badass who not only would have taken control of the truck, but lifted off, and flown it out to sea well out of harms way?

Makes you wonder why all these Batmans are sitting posting on the Internet instead of saving real human beings.

[GG89]

HewManHeMan said:

Do we have yet another PH badass who not only would have taken control of the truck, but lifted off, and flown it out to sea well out of harms way?

Makes you wonder why all these Batmans are sitting posting on the Internet instead of saving real human beings.

Pretty much.

[Cfnteabag]

While working on my land rover the other day and trying to test the clutch after bleeding it it jumped into gear despite the clutch not working. As i am mid rebuild of it i knew that the clutch was unlikely to work and that the brakes havent been adjusted or bled and that they wouldnt work at all and turnng off the ignition or handbrake was the only way to stop it.

I knew this and that and i was ready for this however when it jumped into gear and drove through the neighbours fence before i managed to stop it, all at walking pace in low range.

How much longer would it have taken someone who was panicking, possibly injured from colisions with cars and didnt know the vehicles they were in?

I was quick and o judge when i first heard that report but on second thoughts maybe we shouodnt be so harsh on them

[98elise]

jmorgan said:

mp3manager said:

If that's true, then these two men have some serious questions to answer.

Why didn't they switch it to neutral and why didn't they engage the handbrake?

We were not there, we are not the people involved, no facts other than what we are picking up off the press. Before the mob is released with pitch forks and burning brands, we are not the best to dig in to it and never will be.




Back on topic.


Just awful.

Agreed. There was an eyewitness account that said the truck was doing between 70 and 100! Reports in the papers are even less reliable.