Bin Lorry crashes in Glasgow
Discussion
GG89 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:mondeoman said:
Why not? Nothing suspicious, there wont be any retribution, its an accident. It'd be in the public domain at the inquests anyway.
Never did Chris Jefferies any harm did it.It's not a comparison in terms of circumstances, simply how the media will happily destroy people regardless of whether they've actually done anything wrong.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:GG89 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:mondeoman said:
Why not? Nothing suspicious, there wont be any retribution, its an accident. It'd be in the public domain at the inquests anyway.
Never did Chris Jefferies any harm did it.It's not a comparison in terms of circumstances, simply how the media will happily destroy people regardless of whether they've actually done anything wrong.
c8bof said:
The Daily Record seem to have much larger article on him this morning, more than just naming him. Poor guy. I think they should have held off naming him.
Just read it online, they are even knocking on his daughter's door...no need for that at all!The majority of the press are scum really.
Not named by the authorities then? Press been digging as per speculation further up.
Example. Press will be all over a murder story and might name the suspect if the police are ripping apart a house for evidence and have him/her in custody. The Police would not have told them, but the neighbours would have. The news report will say the name then say "who was named locally".
Example. Press will be all over a murder story and might name the suspect if the police are ripping apart a house for evidence and have him/her in custody. The Police would not have told them, but the neighbours would have. The news report will say the name then say "who was named locally".
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Probably quicker to Google him than for me to try to explain it, google Christopher Jefferies.
It's not a comparison in terms of circumstances, simply how the media will happily destroy people regardless of whether they've actually done anything wrong.
I think Chris Jefferies will actually be one of the few people that "come out on top" in this scenario, as I am glad he did.It's not a comparison in terms of circumstances, simply how the media will happily destroy people regardless of whether they've actually done anything wrong.
Vaud said:
mondeoman said:
Why not? Nothing suspicious, there wont be any retribution, its an accident. It'd be in the public domain at the inquests anyway.
So wait until the inquest when due process has been completed.Oh, an an inquest can with hold a name in various circumstances.
scenario8 said:
matchmaker said:
There won't be an inquest.
Really? Is the Scottish system that different to those in the rest of the UK? What, if anything, follows here, then?eccles said:
scenario8 said:
matchmaker said:
There won't be an inquest.
Really? Is the Scottish system that different to those in the rest of the UK? What, if anything, follows here, then?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_accident_inquir...
On a lighter note, many years ago I was standing outside Dumbarton Sheriff Court, having a fly lunchtime smoke. There was an FAI being held in one of the courtrooms at the time. This "wee hard man" strolled up to me. "Haw, Jimmy*, where's this Fatal Death Inquiry, then?".
I nearly swallowed my Capstan!
- Note. Every male in the west of Scotland is called Jimmy, if you don't know their name.
eccles said:
scenario8 said:
matchmaker said:
There won't be an inquest.
Really? Is the Scottish system that different to those in the rest of the UK? What, if anything, follows here, then?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_accident_inquir...
On a lighter note, many years ago I was standing outside Dumbarton Sheriff Court, having a fly lunchtime smoke. There was an FAI being held in one of the courtrooms at the time. This "wee hard man" strolled up to me. "Haw, Jimmy*, where's this Fatal Death Inquiry, then?".
I nearly swallowed my Capstan!
- Note. Every male in the west of Scotland is called Jimmy, if you don't know their name.
matchmaker said:
eccles said:
scenario8 said:
matchmaker said:
There won't be an inquest.
Really? Is the Scottish system that different to those in the rest of the UK? What, if anything, follows here, then?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_accident_inquir...
On a lighter note, many years ago I was standing outside Dumbarton Sheriff Court, having a fly lunchtime smoke. There was an FAI being held in one of the courtrooms at the time. This "wee hard man" strolled up to me. "Haw, Jimmy*, where's this Fatal Death Inquiry, then?".
I nearly swallowed my Capstan!
- Note. Every male in the west of Scotland is called Jimmy, if you don't know their name.
Some more info has come to light http://news.sky.com/story/1426655/glasgow-bin-lorr...
Other occupants in the cab didn't know where the air brake was and the dustcart shouldn't have legally been on the road in the first place due to the driver not inserting his tachocard on the day of the crash.
Other occupants in the cab didn't know where the air brake was and the dustcart shouldn't have legally been on the road in the first place due to the driver not inserting his tachocard on the day of the crash.
The tacho card obviously had nothing to do with the crash, illegal or not. On the other point though, I wonder if this will result in similar vehicles being fitted with emergency stop buttons in the cab?
Many of the truck conversions that we do at work for Australian mines sites have to have an E-Stop fitted in the cab. Many of the trucks have wiring pre-fitted at the factory ready for it, if its required, so its really not hard to do.
Some of them are pretty smart too, they disengage the clutch, brake automatically with ABS and ESP functioning, engine running to maintain steering then shut down at 5km/h.
Even a basic truck is simple to E-Stop with a relay in the ignition circuit although a little less graceful when you hit it at speed!
Many of the truck conversions that we do at work for Australian mines sites have to have an E-Stop fitted in the cab. Many of the trucks have wiring pre-fitted at the factory ready for it, if its required, so its really not hard to do.
Some of them are pretty smart too, they disengage the clutch, brake automatically with ABS and ESP functioning, engine running to maintain steering then shut down at 5km/h.
Even a basic truck is simple to E-Stop with a relay in the ignition circuit although a little less graceful when you hit it at speed!
GG89 said:
"Examination of on-board monitoring equipment showed it travelled at just over 20mph for roughly 40 seconds as the tragedy unfolded"
Extraordinary claims of 70+ mph by witnesses proved utter drivel as expected.
What "on-board monitoring equipment" would that be, given that no disk was in the tachograph?Extraordinary claims of 70+ mph by witnesses proved utter drivel as expected.
Strange, that omission of the disk: a council driver is hardly likely to go over hours or speed in a dustcart!
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