Bin Lorry crashes in Glasgow
Discussion
Pesty said:
i understand that, you are probably correct. but i dont understand how you can say if it were my relatives... do you need to be related to show empathy?
Pesty, gimme a break man.How am I not showing empathy? Seriously, you managed to come up with that after reading what I've written?
TheJimi said:
Anyone else agree with me on this?
Sure, the guy should get the book thrown at him if the cover-ups are shown to be true, but equally, it *WAS* an accident. There's plenty more deserving individuals to be on the receiving end of trial by tabloid.
Admittedly, I probably wouldn't be saying this if he killed a friend or family member
That said, I'd be surprised if he lasts much longer before he calls it day; the psychological burden of those deaths, the court proceedings and the media witch hunting is an enormous amount of pressure for a "normal" person to cope with.
No, he knew about his condition and hid it from his employers. As a result of the condition people died, it was an accident that could easily have been avoided.Sure, the guy should get the book thrown at him if the cover-ups are shown to be true, but equally, it *WAS* an accident. There's plenty more deserving individuals to be on the receiving end of trial by tabloid.
Admittedly, I probably wouldn't be saying this if he killed a friend or family member
That said, I'd be surprised if he lasts much longer before he calls it day; the psychological burden of those deaths, the court proceedings and the media witch hunting is an enormous amount of pressure for a "normal" person to cope with.
TheJimi said:
Pesty gimme a break man.
How am I not showing empathy? Seriously, you managed to come up with that after reading what I've written?
You yourself said your opinion would be different if they were relatives. This is the bit im not understanding. How am I not showing empathy? Seriously, you managed to come up with that after reading what I've written?
Im not saying you are not empathetic to the victims im sure you are. Just that you are not entirely consistant.
Dont swaet it im not having a dig just a conversation over a medium which us hard to convey a proper conversation
i also said you were probably right. I just dont agree. I just dont care if hound him until the courts try him. If found not guilty and they still hound him im with you. They should also seek answers as to why they said they wouldnt charge him without seemingly knowing all the facts.
People who are detached from a situation or event, can usually see things more clearly, unhindered by emotion, than those involved in said event.
Therefore, as I'm detatched from the event, I have no emotional axe to grind, so I'm commenting that the media / tabloid response has been irresponsible. I'm not showing a lack of empathy, rather I'm making an observation as an outsider.
Were a friend or family member a victim, then I'd almost certainly not be emotionally able to observe the same thing.
This does not equal a lack of empathy.
Therefore, as I'm detatched from the event, I have no emotional axe to grind, so I'm commenting that the media / tabloid response has been irresponsible. I'm not showing a lack of empathy, rather I'm making an observation as an outsider.
Were a friend or family member a victim, then I'd almost certainly not be emotionally able to observe the same thing.
This does not equal a lack of empathy.
Pesty said:
I am not related to the victims still think the guy should pay hard.
Aye, but I'm NOT saying he shouldn't!greygoose said:
No, he knew about his condition and hid it from his employers. As a result of the condition people died, it was an accident that could easily have been avoided.
"no" what? That the press aren't being irresponsible with their coverage of this? Because that's my point.(sigh) Kinda wish I hadn't posted anything now!
ikarl said:
I don't think there's a right answer to any of this. It's just a horrible situation that the newspapers 'love' because it is a juicy story.
Tend to agree.If I was in the blokes shoes I may well have done the same thing.
If I was in the councils shoes I probably wouldn't have conducted the Iraq War Inquiry before hiring a bin lorry driver.
If it had happened anywhere else at any other time it would probably had harmlessly crashed into a lamp post.
If it was my relatives I'd probably want some kind of "justice" too.
Not sure anyone wins here regardless of the outcome.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: If I was in the blokes shoes I may well have done the same thing.
Middle aged bloke from Glasgow with no skills other than driving, that shouldn't be driving.....erm, really glad it wasn't me having to make that decision!I'd like to think I wouldn't choose to keep driving, although in all honesty, the reality might be that I would make the same wrong decision that this bloke made
Troubleatmill said:
Still... I'm sure there are a lot of surgeons out there with occasional breakouts of the shakes.
It's fine if they lie about their ability to do their job.
We should just let them get on and make a living.
After all - we can just make more human beings...
What is the point of you post, exactly? Has anyone said he is justified or that it was fine? The short answer to that is no, they haven't.It's fine if they lie about their ability to do their job.
We should just let them get on and make a living.
After all - we can just make more human beings...
Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 17th August 18:21
TheJimi said:
What is the point of you post, exactly? Has anyone said he is justified or that it was fine? The short answer to that is no, they haven't.
Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Thank you for that wonderful insight.Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 17th August 18:21
You did see the post previous to mine... right?
Play nice
Troubleatmill said:
TheJimi said:
What is the point of you post, exactly? Has anyone said he is justified or that it was fine? The short answer to that is no, they haven't.
Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Thank you for that wonderful insight.Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 17th August 18:21
You did see the post previous to mine... right?
Play nice
Just for clarity though, as although some get it, you maybe haven't read my post with the intention that was meant; in no way am I justifying what the driver done. What I am trying to say is that in his position, I'm not sure I would have done the right thing.
That doesn't condone what he's done, I just don't think I would be any better than him if I was in the same situation
ikarl said:
Troubleatmill said:
TheJimi said:
What is the point of you post, exactly? Has anyone said he is justified or that it was fine? The short answer to that is no, they haven't.
Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Thank you for that wonderful insight.Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 17th August 18:21
You did see the post previous to mine... right?
Play nice
Just for clarity though, as although some get it, you maybe haven't read my post with the intention that was meant; in no way am I justifying what the driver done. What I am trying to say is that in his position, I'm not sure I would have done the right thing.
That doesn't condone what he's done, I just don't think I would be any better than him if I was in the same situation
greygoose said:
ikarl said:
Troubleatmill said:
TheJimi said:
What is the point of you post, exactly? Has anyone said he is justified or that it was fine? The short answer to that is no, they haven't.
Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Thank you for that wonderful insight.Which makes your post kinda...stupid.
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 17th August 18:21
You did see the post previous to mine... right?
Play nice
Just for clarity though, as although some get it, you maybe haven't read my post with the intention that was meant; in no way am I justifying what the driver done. What I am trying to say is that in his position, I'm not sure I would have done the right thing.
That doesn't condone what he's done, I just don't think I would be any better than him if I was in the same situation
I have a track record of having blackouts therefore in my best interests I will continue my career as a coach driver taking your kids to school, or on coach trips around Europe, or drive a bin lorry... or even drive. And I will lie to all and sundry to ensure that I can continue to do so.
I genuinely, really cannot understand how someone can think this way.
You are a walking time bomb.... you know it will happen. As it has happened many times before. Why would you?
greygoose said:
Given the accident and deaths involved, would you be any better than him now if placed in such a hypothetical position?
Sorry, I'm not completely sure what you're asking.I think you're asking if by saying what I am, does that make me as bad as he is....if so, yes, in a way it probably does. I can't hide from that.
I can't walk a mile in that guys shoes etc,... I'm in my 30's, I've always worked hard, upskilled myself throughout my life and I feel I'm adaptable to most situations, however if I was that guy in his situation (middle aged, unemployed, no skills, family to support, mortgage etc) I can see why he would do what he did.
Edited by ikarl on Monday 17th August 22:45
amare32 said:
In the last 9 months, I had nothing but sympathy for the driver but after the revelations in the last few weeks, it's beyond vile that someone's decision to hide his medical past has resulted in the death of so many innocent people..
How many drivers on our roads are doing the same. A few years ago a friend had a mild stroke, his GP told him not to drive for 30 days and until he had seen him for a check up.No contact was made with DVLA.
ikarl said:
greygoose said:
Given the accident and deaths involved, would you be any better than him now if placed in such a hypothetical position?
Sorry, I'm not completely sure what you're asking.I think you're asking if by saying what I am, does that make me as bad as he is....if so, yes, in a way it probably does. I can't hide from that.
I can't walk a mile in that guys shoes etc,... I'm in my 30's, I've always worked hard, upskilled myself throughout my life and I feel I'm adaptable to most situations, however if I was that guy in his situation (middle aged, unemployed, no skills, family to support, mortgage etc) I can see why he would do what he did.
Edited by ikarl on Monday 17th August 22:45
I don't think I could, I certainly wouldn't hang around for the hearing in such a circumstance, I would have topped myself through guilt.
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