Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[mybrainhurts]

motco said:

robinessex said:

Just to let you all know, the EU referendum has resulted in the entire stock of 'could', ‘maybe', ‘might', ‘possibly’, suggests’, ‘indicates’, ‘points too’ etc, etc, has been used up, thus all new CC & GW ‘reports’ are on hold until re-stocking takes place. Thank you all for your patience!

Could be, possibly...

Oh, bugger, we'll have to struggle on with those worse than previously thoughts that we overstocked in 2012.

[Mr GrimNasty]

According to Lord Ashcroft's stats, those who see multiculturalism, feminism, the Green movement, globalisation and immigration as forces for ill, voted by a large majority to exit.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-unite...

[turbobloke]

Mr GrimNasty said:

According to Lord Ashcroft's stats, those who see multiculturalism, feminism, the Green movement, globalisation and immigration as forces for ill, voted by a large majority to exit.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-unite...

Wider question (not to you Mr GN) did the poll ask about those issues as absolute values, or based on experience when they're misapplied / mismanaged then rammed down our throats by zealots, including EU zealotry?

Labour confessed to opening the floodgates on immigration to "rub the Right's nose in diversity".

Opposing the costly, pointless and dangerous Green Blob is sensible, it's a view against environ mentalism not environmentalism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

Link said:

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".

This incompetence and mismanagement of the nation's affairs, with ill motive present, needs to be put to people in surveys to get an accurate response, before running off with false conclusions.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Guardian piece today about Glastonbury. Event organiser says its the muddiest he'd ever seen it in the events 46 years.... who wants a virtual pint for guessing the culprit of said muddiness?

[turbobloke]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Guardian piece today about Glastonbury. Event organiser says its the muddiest he'd ever seen it in the events 46 years.... who wants a virtual pint for guessing the culprit of said muddiness?

Got it. Global Muddying.

[rovermorris999]

Don't worry, it'll be frozen in a few years, maybe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-366...

[With these feet]

turbobloke said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Guardian piece today about Glastonbury. Event organiser says its the muddiest he'd ever seen it in the events 46 years.... who wants a virtual pint for guessing the culprit of said muddiness?

Got it. Global Muddying.

But was the mud warm, or cold?

[robinessex]

rovermorris999 said:

Don't worry, it'll be frozen in a few years, maybe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-366...

Don't be stupid. You know full well the Sun has absolutely nothing to do with CC or GW. Well, according to the advocates of such.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Summer of '76. 40 years ago, seems like yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/36646131

The interesting thing is that this report is by the Met/BBC's worst climate change pushing puppet - and he says it was all unprecedented yet natural, and extreme weather happens naturally, and it will happen again.

What's the betting he declares the next heat wave/drought man-made, or made more-likely by man?

My main memory of '76 was headaches and vomiting from heatstroke, constantly dunking my head in a bucket, and the plague of biting ladybirds!

[mybrainhurts]

I remember that too. And cars too hot to touch...

[Mr GrimNasty]

mybrainhurts said:

I remember that too. And cars too hot to touch...

Lots of cars still had those horrid vinyl (or whatever it was) seats too, that heated up like a stove.

[mybrainhurts]

Mr GrimNasty said:

mybrainhurts said:

I remember that too. And cars too hot to touch...

Lots of cars still had those horrid vinyl (or whatever it was) seats too, that heated up like a stove.

...I still have the scars...

[robinessex]

In 1976, my Lotus Europa TC winsdscreen retaining 'glue' dried up and shrivelled so much, when it did eventually rain, I had a waterfall in the car !!

[robinessex]

Todays Beeb CC puff piece:-

Climate change: UK to set new emissions target

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3666...

A world-leading climate change target up to the early 2030s is set to be confirmed by the British government.
Ministers are expected to announce that the UK will cut carbon emissions by 57% by 2032, from 1990 levels.
The announcement will help reassure the investors needed to overhaul the UK's ageing energy system.
The energy industry will be relieved after cuts in renewables subsidies and the vote to leave the EU, which influences so much of the UK's energy.
Energy Secretary Amber Rudd said climate change remained one of the most serious long-term risks to the economy.
Speaking at a business and climate summit in London, Ms Rudd said: "Climate change has not been downgraded as a threat.
"We must not turn our back on Europe or the world. So while I think the UK's role in dealing with a warming planet may have been made harder by the decision last Thursday, our commitment to dealing with it has not gone away."
Business spokesmen at the conference echoed a call by the former Labour Climate Secretary Ed Miliband for the prime minister immediately to ratify the Paris climate accord in which nearly 180 countries agreed to cut carbon emissions.

So, the government has still lost the plot? I hope the new Conservative leader has more knowledge about how to be a PM, than Amber Rudd does about the department she's in charge of. I now invite you to spot the contradictions in the above section from the Beebs report. And how much ACTUAL action will happen. Me thinks not a lot. There will be a lot of 'reverse rabbits' when the French/Chinese nuclear project hits the buffers, a few hard winters, the lights go out.

[Jasandjules]

mybrainhurts said:

I remember that too. And cars too hot to touch...

And what about your memories of 1796?

I wonder if anyone anywhere has produced a list of what Global Warming has been blamed for - I bet it is quite a long, and preposterous, list indeed..

[durbster]

31 leading scientific organisations sign a letter to request Congress stop ignoring the scientific consensus on climate change:
http://www.aaas.org/news/intersocietyclimateletter...

Associated Press said:

The groups, which represent millions of scientists, sent the letter Tuesday, saying the severity of climate change is increasing and will worsen faster in coming decades.
...
Those signing the letter include the world's largest scientific society, American Chemical Society, and groups that represent meteorologists, public health experts, biologists, Earth scientists, oceanographers, geologists, crop researchers, bug, fish and reptile experts, as well as mathematicians and statisticians.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7896fd54ea3c48a0ad77882589f85966/science-groups-congress-climate-change-real-threat

[Jinx]

durbster said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7896fd54ea3c48a0ad7...

Key words are "Scientific Organisations" not Scientists.

[robinessex]

durbster said:

31 leading scientific organisations sign a letter to request Congress stop ignoring the scientific consensus on climate change:
http://www.aaas.org/news/intersocietyclimateletter...

Associated Press said:

The groups, which represent millions of scientists, sent the letter Tuesday, saying the severity of climate change is increasing and will worsen faster in coming decades.
...
Those signing the letter include the world's largest scientific society, American Chemical Society, and groups that represent meteorologists, public health experts, biologists, Earth scientists, oceanographers, geologists, crop researchers, bug, fish and reptile experts, as well as mathematicians and statisticians.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7896fd54ea3c48a0ad77882589f85966/science-groups-congress-climate-change-real-threat

Surely the opening line on your posting should read:-

"stop ignoring the SUPPRESSED (i.e, it's bks) scientific consensus on climate change"

Just had a read of that document. Most of it can be shot down by applying a bit of logic and some common sense.

Edited by robinessex on Thursday 30th June 11:30

[mybrainhurts]

Jinx said:

durbster said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7896fd54ea3c48a0ad7...

Key words are "Scientific Organisations" not Scientists.

Aka snout troughers...

They have a prayer...

Oh, lord, giveth me the grants and giveth me the imagination, that I might think up even more devious ways to create fears and gaineth more grants and grow rich and plentiful in mine short life on earth...

[Mr GrimNasty]

Funny how El Nino global temperature rise is headline news, but the spectacular fall doesn't even get a mention.

At this rate 2016 might not even been the warmest after all - extraordinary after the strength of that natural event.



http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/07/uah-global-tem...