Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
nelly1 said:
article said:
The classic fish and chips enjoyed by previous generations could be replaced by the likes of sardines and squid, according to a study published in the journal Nature Climate Change.
Surely this will see an end to the obesity crisis?When people bang on about man made emissions, and the effects these might, or might not have on the planet, and its climate, they are really barking up the wrong tree.
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Pan Pan Pan said:
When people bang on about man made emissions, and the effects these might, or might not have on the planet, and its climate, they are really barking up the wrong tree.
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
'Get busy livin', or get busy diein''Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Courtesy of Shawshank Redemption.
Pan Pan Pan said:
When people bang on about man made emissions, and the effects these might, or might not have on the planet, and its climate, they are really barking up the wrong tree.
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Watch Hans Rosling's magic washing machine on youtube; he has some answers for you, although I think he's misguided as to where the extra electricity generation will come from. Whatever the low/zero carbon energy sources are, they will need to be cheaper than coal or gas in order to persuade the developing world to use them in preference to burning fossilised wood or dinosaur juice.Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Ali G said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
When people bang on about man made emissions, and the effects these might, or might not have on the planet, and its climate, they are really barking up the wrong tree.
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
'Get busy livin', or get busy diein''Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Courtesy of Shawshank Redemption.
A call to look past 'sustainable development' from the NYT of all places.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/business/an-envi...
It still gets the basics wrong though. There's no chance of what we do (or don't do) accelerating or retarding "devastating climate change" in terms of fuels, energy and emissions.
Carbon dioxide change follows temperature change, never precedes it, and there is no causality attached to anthropogenic emissions either. Even so, it's a small step in the right direction, and more surprising still given the source.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/business/an-envi...
It still gets the basics wrong though. There's no chance of what we do (or don't do) accelerating or retarding "devastating climate change" in terms of fuels, energy and emissions.
Carbon dioxide change follows temperature change, never precedes it, and there is no causality attached to anthropogenic emissions either. Even so, it's a small step in the right direction, and more surprising still given the source.
Diderot said:
All well and good but there'll be no fish anyway cos they'll all be dead due to that there ocean acidification. I wish the stupid feckers would make their minds up.
a word of caution. anything printed in nature climate change is usually funded by the pro eco zealot lobby and toes the man made global warming party line. the real temp increase has come about far quicker than the gradual increase they claim in an attempt to link it to global warming. it is a shallow sea subject to bigger fluctuations in temp compared to deeper waters over the continental shelf and successive mild winters always see a big jump in temps,just one severe winter can see them knocked back down . the funny thing is the english channel and surrounding waters are and have been far warmer than the majority of the north sea yet have all those species in abundance,and increasing in recent years despite them being the warmest waters recorded in recent times.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
without comment on the rest of your post that is so far off the mark it is not even funny. spawning stock biomass of every single commercially targeted species in uk waters are at or near record levels compared to the last twenty years.the main species like cod ,haddock and plaice have undergone a huge resurgence.in recent years haddock quota for instance was recommended to be increased four fold at one point.
I know it's science but........ fascinating how well the north and south ice extents mirror each other.
Although plenty of political shenanigans to consider in the full article.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...
Although plenty of political shenanigans to consider in the full article.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...
Pan Pan Pan said:
Ali G said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
When people bang on about man made emissions, and the effects these might, or might not have on the planet, and its climate, they are really barking up the wrong tree.
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
'Get busy livin', or get busy diein''Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Courtesy of Shawshank Redemption.
krunchkin said:
The real fallacy of the Climate Change argument, if true, is that it will have catastrophic effects on human populations around the world - which, when humans (and particularly the vast overpopulation and excessive reproduction of humans) are the driving force behind all pollution and natural destruction, could simply be seen as nature making a natural correction. You can quack on all day about windmills and electric cars but the real issue is there is far too many human beings consuming limited resources. A true Green eco zealot should actually welcome climate change based population destruction
As a hypothesis it's balls though; enviromental damage is caused by irresponsible behaviour, be it farming, forestry, drilling for gas, oil or water, industrial activity, fishing. The planet is capable of sustaining a bigger population if these irresponsible behaviours are prevented. Population growth is flattening off, as people become better off they have fewer children; if the developed world has a priority it's helping the developing world grow their economies and stop breeding.Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 18th April 05:36
The Rockies are expecting up to 2m of vinerism around now. Apparently there's a strong Spring storm developing over the Northern Rockies which will bring heavy snow and strong winds to portions of Wyoming and Colorado today and over the next few days. Winter storm watches and warnings are starting to be issued, with viner expected to visit Montana, Idaho, Utah, and New Mexico. The cold air mass is then expected to shift eastward, with reinforcing cold air coming south through Canada. This is very likely to produce vinerism in the upper-midwest e.g. Chicago by late next week. Thank goodness for global warming and the lack of snow due to scorching heat, otherwise they really would be snowed out.
Steve McIntyre said:
This is nowhere discussed in peer reviewed literature by publicly funded academics, but is the case nonetheless.
To get the story behind the above snip, and the headline "And for Rahmstorf's Second Trick", anyone who would like to see how stats nous can beat political carp can click away here.Global warming? Huh. It's bottom of Americans' concerns and still falling.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/25/poll-americans-g...
Dr Judith Curry testimony: data calls into question the conclusion that humans are the dominant cause of recent climate change. A NSS moment but OK.
http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/15/hearing-presiden...
Do you have climate change denial disorder (CCDD)? Funny old world! Data Denial Disorder doen't sound much of a laugh though. If you're up to your neck in vinerism you should've satire.
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-deniers-suffe...
http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/25/poll-americans-g...
Dr Judith Curry testimony: data calls into question the conclusion that humans are the dominant cause of recent climate change. A NSS moment but OK.
http://judithcurry.com/2015/04/15/hearing-presiden...
Do you have climate change denial disorder (CCDD)? Funny old world! Data Denial Disorder doen't sound much of a laugh though. If you're up to your neck in vinerism you should've satire.
http://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-deniers-suffe...
krunchkin said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Ali G said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
When people bang on about man made emissions, and the effects these might, or might not have on the planet, and its climate, they are really barking up the wrong tree.
Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
'Get busy livin', or get busy diein''Look at almost any so called environmental issue you could care to name, and at the bottom of it you will find a little old human, is at the root of it.
Square miles of Rain Forest being cut down every day? Why is that then?
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
Fossil fuels and minerals being dug out and used in greater not lesser quantities globally, why is that then?
If `as some conclude' humans are the cause of so called man made climate change, why are we increasing humans at rates up to 346 thousand net new humans per DAY?
Doing so is the equivalent of discovering fire, and shouting FIRE, FIRE, and then pouring thousands of gallons of petrol on it.
There is no way humans can control the global human population, so like many other species, we will expand our numbers as fast as possible to absorb all available resources as quickly as possible.
Then there will be wars for the few resources that are left, and any survivors will eke out an existence with what is left, or go the way of, many other species.
Soylent Green Anyone? Mmmm Nice!
Courtesy of Shawshank Redemption.
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