Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
nelly1 said:
Piss boiler alert!! This load of carp now being discussed on BBC News 
Kawasicki said:
If humans destroy this planet, that will be a natural process. A rusty diesel truck, a Mars rover, a laptop...all just as natural as a beautiful oak.
Surely you meant leaf litter or equivalent? Otherwise the comparison would have been with a beautiful human. Green human haters would hate that 
There's zero chance of climate-type planetary destruction via tax gas.
More natural warming would be great, life and civilisation thrive under warmer conditions known as climate optima.
Even when the Sun becomes a red giant, there will be a planet left behind, it will have had a makeover but so have a lot of ageing bodies
turbobloke said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
"The carbon unit infestation will be removed from the Creator's planet."
Used to be Sci-Fi.
Good point Used to be Sci-Fi.
The planet has had a few pops at removing various carbon units over the years.
We're OK now though, Obama and the EU will save the world by taxing it to death.
plunker said:
turbobloke said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
"The carbon unit infestation will be removed from the Creator's planet."
Used to be Sci-Fi.
Good point Used to be Sci-Fi.
The planet has had a few pops at removing various carbon units over the years.
We're OK now though, Obama and the EU will save the world by taxing it to death.
Your indication of dodgy arrows doesn't make the graph's data dodgy. By the same token, that was another dodgy post from the plunky vaults with shades of comments that attempted to smear the data in one or two other representations, one from TGGWS iirc. There's no excuse for it though, nobody should be down with the IPCC in their 'typo' over Himalaya glaciers etc.
The data for the GISP2 core is still as shown, so - surprise - nothing changes. Here's a higher resolution chart from the GISP2 core for the last 10,000 years. The LIA and MWP are correctly labelled. The NOT unprecedented modest claimed natural warming is shown, if the corrupted near-surface database is to be believed, truly.
Papers featuring such data include Alley R B, PNAS, 2000 and the focus is often on abrupt (natural) climate change, the dwarfing of any current snail pace (natural) climate change is purely factual.
plunker said:
Another dodgy graph from TB-vaults. The curve is gisp2 ice-core data ending mid-19th century - the part (mis)labelled medieval warm period is the roman warm period and the 'present global warming' is the little ice age.
Have you ever commented on anything related to cars, on this, a car forum? If not, it really begs the question why you are here?turbobloke said:
Thank goodness it wasn't me that labelled the graphic.
No that would be global cooling alarmist Don Easterbrook as I'm sure you know."Your indication of dodgy arrows doesn't make the graph's data dodgy."
But it does make the graph dodgy and misleading.
turbobloke said:
Papers featuring such data include Alley R B, PNAS, 2000 and the focus is often on abrupt (natural) climate change, the dwarfing of any current snail pace (natural) climate change is purely factual.
Except when it's used by Don Easterbrook to claim "virtually all of the past 10,000 years has been warmer than the present"http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/28/2010%E2%80%9...
Edited by plunker on Saturday 18th April 16:41
wsurfa said:
plunker said:
Another dodgy graph from TB-vaults. The curve is gisp2 ice-core data ending mid-19th century - the part (mis)labelled medieval warm period is the roman warm period and the 'present global warming' is the little ice age.
Have you ever commented on anything related to cars, on this, a car forum? If not, it really begs the question why you are here?
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
without comment on the rest of your post that is so far off the mark it is not even funny. spawning stock biomass of every single commercially targeted species in uk waters are at or near record levels compared to the last twenty years.the main species like cod ,haddock and plaice have undergone a huge resurgence.in recent years haddock quota for instance was recommended to be increased four fold at one point.
If fish stocks have recovered so well, why are strict quotas still being applied to the UK fishing industry? (even its current microscopic form, from that of the fishing fleets the UK `used' to have not so many years ago)
dickymint said:
Peak fish..................
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go? Pan Pan Pan said:
dickymint said:
Peak fish..................
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go? ftp://ftp.fao.org/FI/STAT/summary/YB_Overview.pdf
The UK Industry was sacrificed to the EU and bought out by the Spaniards to whom the word "quota" probably means very little. It might help them to set price expectations though.
Tiny little Norway, Pop. circa 4million people and not part of the EU, punches well above its weight (to coin a phrase) in fishery terms. That, the Oil income (per capita), their Hydro electric supplies and the prevailing Tax Regimes imposed as ECO controls probably explain why they were (and perhaps still are?) the biggest European market for Tesla cars when they launched in Europe.
It's a funny old sustainable world out there.
Pan Pan Pan said:
dickymint said:
Peak fish..................
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff