Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
powerstroke said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
dickymint said:
Peak fish..................
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go? Pan Pan Pan said:
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The seas being depleted of fish (For the first time in history, the UK no longer has enough fish in its territorial waters to supply the UK) So why are we doing that then?
without comment on the rest of your post that is so far off the mark it is not even funny. spawning stock biomass of every single commercially targeted species in uk waters are at or near record levels compared to the last twenty years.the main species like cod ,haddock and plaice have undergone a huge resurgence.in recent years haddock quota for instance was recommended to be increased four fold at one point.
If fish stocks have recovered so well, why are strict quotas still being applied to the UK fishing industry? (even its current microscopic form, from that of the fishing fleets the UK `used' to have not so many years ago)
just having a free for all as in the past ,when stocks are high ,is not seen as good practice anymore, so the quota system,despite all it,s flaws has been deemed the best way to control landings.
the only commercially important fish in recent years that appears to have a declining spawning stock biomass are bass. this is not surprising given how much promotion they have been given by various celebrity chefs.
as for the current "microscopic form" of the fishing fleet, size is not everything
,the northern and southern fleets are two very different entities ,the southern fleet being largely made up of small inshore boats known as under tens . the biggest problem they have is lack of quota ,not finding fish to catch. the large producer organisations have bought most of the quota up and it is distributed very unevenly.the northern fleet is made up of a mix of under tens and larger offshore boats ,from small lobster and crab boats to those fishing white fish such as cod and haddock alongside prawns ,to the huge pelagic boats that may only fish a couple of months of the year for mackerel.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go?
then go and have a look at the barents sea quota for cod in the last two years . 1 million tonnes a year . they are seeing something similar to what the uk saw in the 60,s and 70,s . perfect natural conditions for what is a termed a gadoid outburst . the north sea is one of,if not the most, heavily fished seas in the world. if fish populations are able to increase significantly there i would imagine in less heavily fished waters they will be doing fine.a lot of the peak fish stuff is pushed/funded by pew ,who have a vested interest in farmed fish . they will forget to tell you that farmed fish require 2 to 5kg of wild caught fish used as feed to create 1 kg of farmed fish, but never mind ,it must be better because an ngo that gets funding from monsanto (a creator of genetically modified farmed fish) says so.
fyi i have no issue with gm food products when used and monitored correctly.
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go?
then go and have a look at the barents sea quota for cod in the last two years . 1 million tonnes a year . they are seeing something similar to what the uk saw in the 60,s and 70,s . perfect natural conditions for what is a termed a gadoid outburst . the north sea is one of,if not the most, heavily fished seas in the world. if fish populations are able to increase significantly there i would imagine in less heavily fished waters they will be doing fine.a lot of the peak fish stuff is pushed/funded by pew ,who have a vested interest in farmed fish . they will forget to tell you that farmed fish require 2 to 5kg of wild caught fish used as feed to create 1 kg of farmed fish, but never mind ,it must be better because an ngo that gets funding from monsanto (a creator of genetically modified farmed fish) says so.
fyi i have no issue with gm food products when used and monitored correctly.
The original funding source coming from the Pew family trusts .... all extracted from owning the Sun Oil company.
Hmm.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 20th April 11:30
dickymint said:
Set to be the most expensive electricity in the world, intermittent, and a drop in the ocean of demand.Who will save us from this lunacy?
turbobloke said:
powerstroke said:
Any idea when we will reach peak moron?????
Some say Natalie Bennett has reached her peak.Economic understanding is still at base camp.
You flatter her. Economically, she's still stood earnestly waiting in the drizzle outside Millets on half-day closing, wearing a leaky kagoul and with her trousers tucked into her socks.
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go?
then go and have a look at the barents sea quota for cod in the last two years . 1 million tonnes a year . they are seeing something similar to what the uk saw in the 60,s and 70,s . perfect natural conditions for what is a termed a gadoid outburst . the north sea is one of,if not the most, heavily fished seas in the world. if fish populations are able to increase significantly there i would imagine in less heavily fished waters they will be doing fine.a lot of the peak fish stuff is pushed/funded by pew ,who have a vested interest in farmed fish . they will forget to tell you that farmed fish require 2 to 5kg of wild caught fish used as feed to create 1 kg of farmed fish, but never mind ,it must be better because an ngo that gets funding from monsanto (a creator of genetically modified farmed fish) says so.
fyi i have no issue with gm food products when used and monitored correctly.
Pan Pan Pan said:
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go?
then go and have a look at the barents sea quota for cod in the last two years . 1 million tonnes a year . they are seeing something similar to what the uk saw in the 60,s and 70,s . perfect natural conditions for what is a termed a gadoid outburst . the north sea is one of,if not the most, heavily fished seas in the world. if fish populations are able to increase significantly there i would imagine in less heavily fished waters they will be doing fine.a lot of the peak fish stuff is pushed/funded by pew ,who have a vested interest in farmed fish . they will forget to tell you that farmed fish require 2 to 5kg of wild caught fish used as feed to create 1 kg of farmed fish, but never mind ,it must be better because an ngo that gets funding from monsanto (a creator of genetically modified farmed fish) says so.
fyi i have no issue with gm food products when used and monitored correctly.
Pan Pan Pan said:
FYI I don't really care whether or not the Earth has reached `peak fish' My view is that if we will insist on increasing the global population by up 346 thousand net per DAY, then it doesn't really matter what we want to eat, (or do) Fish, and `everything' else (except humans) is going to be in short supply.
fair enough , the prospect does not enthrall me either, but fortunately i will be dead when stuff starts to run out 
LongQ said:
Is that Pew the one with the "foundation" that seems to fund so many organisations with somewhat extreme "green" views and policies?
The original funding source coming from the Pew family trusts .... all extracted from owning the Sun Oil company.
Hmm.
the one and the same.The original funding source coming from the Pew family trusts .... all extracted from owning the Sun Oil company.
Hmm.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 20th April 11:30
Pan Pan Pan said:
wc98 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Don't take my word for it, just google peak fish and read the numerous reports there, the dates seem to vary, but the majority of reports show that globally the world has gone past peak fish, and there are now larger numbers of people chasing declining numbers of fish. Wonder where that will go?
then go and have a look at the barents sea quota for cod in the last two years . 1 million tonnes a year . they are seeing something similar to what the uk saw in the 60,s and 70,s . perfect natural conditions for what is a termed a gadoid outburst . the north sea is one of,if not the most, heavily fished seas in the world. if fish populations are able to increase significantly there i would imagine in less heavily fished waters they will be doing fine.a lot of the peak fish stuff is pushed/funded by pew ,who have a vested interest in farmed fish . they will forget to tell you that farmed fish require 2 to 5kg of wild caught fish used as feed to create 1 kg of farmed fish, but never mind ,it must be better because an ngo that gets funding from monsanto (a creator of genetically modified farmed fish) says so.
fyi i have no issue with gm food products when used and monitored correctly.
The point about other things not being equal is that average productivity per hectare is capable of further increases and, notwithstanding the current debate on fish numbers and fish farming, ocean stocks are at least amenable to replenishment. I won't mention genetic modification of crops etc. So the likelihood is that a population of beyond 10 billion is sustainable, to use the apt but hackneyed lingo. We might even make it past 2100...so we can be boiled and fried by non-existent manmadeup global warming.
turbobloke said:
Blib said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Who will save us from this lunacy?
No one. No one at all. We're totally screwed. Our political 'betters' are a pathetic bunch of power hungry lightweights.I don't believe there is a `humane' way of controlling the global human population. The Earth however is likely to find a way, but nature, by its very nature means it probably wont be humane.
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