Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

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turbobloke

103,961 posts

260 months

Monday 4th May 2015
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PR content from the USA SSRC awaiting headline slot on the BBC website.



Space and Science Research Corporation
PO Box 607841
Orlando
FL 32860 TEL: (407) 667-????
www.spaceandscience.net

New Cold Climate to Devastate Global Agriculture within Ten Years

Thursday, April 30, 2015 Press Release 2-2015 9:00 AM EDT

The Space and Science Research Corporation (SSRC) announces today that the predicted new cold climate will soon begin to end the historic era of growth in US and global agricultural output that began after the end of World War II.

Specifically, as a result of recent events on the Sun and changes in the Earth’s climate, the SSRC again warns that record crop yields and volume in the US and Canadian corn, wheat, and soybean belts are about to end. The SSRC expects the first substantial damage could be observed at any time but certainly within the next ten years.

This new announcement is based on a well researched set of new climate trends of oceanic and atmospheric temperatures, and solar activity.

It is entirely possible that the decades-long period of record global agricultural output that our world has enjoyed will soon be over, perhaps for many decades.

This ominous prediction is accentuated by the fact that governments worldwide and their agricultural corporations, systems, and farmers, are preparing for more global warming and doing nothing to adapt to the ongoing transition to a new potentially dangerous cold climate.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Monday 4th May 2015
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but but...is it peer reviewed?

hidetheelephants

24,366 posts

193 months

Monday 4th May 2015
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Nonsense; as eni fule kno, if yields plummet it will be because of warming.

rovermorris999

5,202 posts

189 months

Monday 4th May 2015
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The full rationale for that article is here
http://www.spaceandscience.net/sitebuildercontent/...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Minigland's pursuit of zero carbon energy supply to conservatively cost the UK 200bn.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...

A Labour spokesman said, get this, that "Investing in clean energy will lead to lower bills than the alternative high-carbon scenario". wobble

Blib

44,136 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Unfortunately, due to the political hysteria and knee jerk witch-hunting engendered whenever the words 'climate, change and carbon' are mentioned, this country is unable to have a grown up and sensible discussion on the matter.

I fear that whoever gets into office on Thursday, the die is cast and we are stuffed as a nation, power generation wise.

wc98

10,401 posts

140 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Blib said:
Unfortunately, due to the political hysteria and knee jerk witch-hunting engendered whenever the words 'climate, change and carbon' are mentioned, this country is unable to have a grown up and sensible discussion on the matter.

I fear that whoever gets into office on Thursday, the die is cast and we are stuffed as a nation, power generation wise.
look on the bright side , the germans are building a stack of new coal fired stations, we can buy electricity from them.

Blib

44,136 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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wc98 said:
Blib said:
Unfortunately, due to the political hysteria and knee jerk witch-hunting engendered whenever the words 'climate, change and carbon' are mentioned, this country is unable to have a grown up and sensible discussion on the matter.

I fear that whoever gets into office on Thursday, the die is cast and we are stuffed as a nation, power generation wise.
look on the bright side , the germans are building a stack of new coal fired stations, we can buy electricity from them.
It beggars belief, doesn't it? hehe

turbobloke

103,961 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Two emails in already from people reporting listening with growing incredulity as an uninterrupted Lord Stern offered several teminological inexactitudes in the Biased Broadcasting Coporation's Toady prog on R4 this morning. Did anyone catch it?

hidetheelephants

24,366 posts

193 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Labour's energy policy is dogst but there are some rubbish assumptions made by the Telegraph; series production of nuclear power stations(or indeed any engineering product) as outlined produces significant cost savings.
wc98 said:
look on the bright side , the germans are building a stack of new coal fired stations, we can buy electricity from them.
We better build more interconnects, as the SNP have the same 'magic energy tree' policy, which will result in no baseload generation in Scotland beyond 2023; they expect windmills plus energy storage that doesn't exist(and no prospect of it existing any time soon) to fill the gap. It's nuts, but it's policy.


rovermorris999

5,202 posts

189 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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hidetheelephants said:
We better build more interconnects, as the SNP have the same 'magic energy tree' policy, which will result in no baseload generation in Scotland beyond 2023; they expect windmills plus energy storage that doesn't exist(and no prospect of it existing any time soon) to fill the gap. It's nuts, but it's policy.
Fear not! Elon Musk and his Tesla home storage batteries will save the day. Or not as is more likely.

turbobloke

103,961 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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rovermorris999 said:
hidetheelephants said:
We better build more interconnects, as the SNP have the same 'magic energy tree' policy, which will result in no baseload generation in Scotland beyond 2023; they expect windmills plus energy storage that doesn't exist(and no prospect of it existing any time soon) to fill the gap. It's nuts, but it's policy.
Fear not! Elon Musk and his Tesla home storage batteries will save the day. Or not as is more likely.
It's hilarious, but politicians think it's ace. Then, if/when it gets cold...

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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turbobloke said:
It's hilarious, but politicians think it's ace. Then, if/when it gets cold...
Tesla has never turned a profit or made anything that reaches a sensible cost/performance compromise. You have to wonder how the company continues to exist (I know the answer)!

Apparently the life of these 'wall' batteries is about 9 years (if used optimally presumably) and then you have to charge them, so to be self sufficient you need windmills/panels at £thousands which will also need to be replaced in a decade or so, then you need £30K? of insulation so that you can eek out what power you store. Even using off-peak to charge doesn't make it economically viable?

So even at a very conservative guess, using a 'wall' your electricity will cost 2 - 4 times current prices.

And the BBC has been lauding this like some marvelous 'free' energy revolution.

The BBC has also been doing some factual accuracy/balance omitting reporting on an Arctic Ice research boat and current/future Arctic ice the last 2 days. Typical.

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
turbobloke said:
It's hilarious, but politicians think it's ace. Then, if/when it gets cold...
Tesla has never turned a profit or made anything that reaches a sensible cost/performance compromise. You have to wonder how the company continues to exist (I know the answer)!

Apparently the life of these 'wall' batteries is about 9 years (if used optimally presumably) and then you have to charge them, so to be self sufficient you need windmills/panels at £thousands which will also need to be replaced in a decade or so, then you need £30K? of insulation so that you can eek out what power you store. Even using off-peak to charge doesn't make it economically viable?

So even at a very conservative guess, using a 'wall' your electricity will cost 2 - 4 times current prices.

And the BBC has been lauding this like some marvelous 'free' energy revolution.

The BBC has also been doing some factual accuracy/balance omitting reporting on an Arctic Ice research boat and current/future Arctic ice the last 2 days. Typical.
Ah, so it's not a self sufficient/self contained power unit?

If these 'wall batteries' need charging by other means of power, then what is the point?

Jinx

11,391 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Tesla has never turned a profit or made anything that reaches a sensible cost/performance compromise. You have to wonder how the company continues to exist (I know the answer)!
Amazing how much those carbon credits went for.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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chris watton said:
Ah, so it's not a self sufficient/self contained power unit?

If these 'wall batteries' need charging by other means of power, then what is the point?
The idea is that you use cheap rate electricity to charge them and then run off battery during peak, or 'preferably' your intermittent 'green' source like PV panels on the roof charges them so you can use it when you want.

It's just another massively expensive diversionary fail which will throw up all sorts of practicality issues, I suspect.

You probably wouldn't want the pack indoors anywhere, or near anything flammable either.

rovermorris999

5,202 posts

189 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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chris watton said:
Ah, so it's not a self sufficient/self contained power unit?

If these 'wall batteries' need charging by other means of power, then what is the point?
It's box of lithium ion batteries and you use 'free' sunshine and wind or cheap rate overnight mains power (which means the grid and generating capacity will still need to be maintained). Please keep up or you'll be left behind in the brave new world. Don't worry, the greens and the politicos say it'll all be fine.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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And of course if you get mass use of cheap rate, it becomes peak rate. Fatal error.

turbobloke

103,961 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
And of course if you get mass use of cheap rate, it becomes peak rate. Fatal error.
Fail, abort, don't retry, but they will.

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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wc98 said:
look on the bright side , the germans are building a stack of new coal fired stations, we can buy electricity from them.
Good thing that CO2 will never reach UK eh.

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