Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
hornetrider said:
Minigland's pursuit of zero carbon energy supply to conservatively cost the UK 200bn.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...
A Labour spokesman said, get this, that "Investing in clean energy will lead to lower bills than the alternative high-carbon scenario".
He may be right.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...
A Labour spokesman said, get this, that "Investing in clean energy will lead to lower bills than the alternative high-carbon scenario".
Once a large proportion of the populace has died off the balance of power generation vs available consumer may indeed force the costs of electricity based energy downwards. Not for long though. Eventually all demand will cease.
Meanwhile the Minigland prophecy may turn out to be correct, albeit for the wrong reasons.
hidetheelephants said:
We better build more interconnects, as the SNP have the same 'magic energy tree' policy, which will result in no baseload generation in Scotland beyond 2023; they expect windmills plus energy storage that doesn't exist(and no prospect of it existing any time soon) to fill the gap. It's nuts, but it's policy.
apparently energy storage is a non issue ,according to both the snp canvassers i have spoken to . it is like talking to a cow pat . i am far from the brightest bulb on the planet, but every time i engage any snp supporter in conversation relating to power generation ,supply,load and demand, the replies make me feel like stephen hawking.The batteries are being touted along with windmills and solar panels; it's a brainwashed Grauniad reader's wet dream, spend £15k+ on this vapourware and the great unwashed will pay you back! What a whizzo plan!
Apparently only evil baby-eating conservatives do regressive stuff like tax the poor and give it to the rich. I'm also curious how the massive increase in demand for lithium will affect commodity prices.
Apparently only evil baby-eating conservatives do regressive stuff like tax the poor and give it to the rich. I'm also curious how the massive increase in demand for lithium will affect commodity prices.
turbobloke said:
Two emails in already from people reporting listening with growing incredulity as an uninterrupted Lord Stern offered several teminological inexactitudes in the Biased Broadcasting Coporation's Toady prog on R4 this morning. Did anyone catch it?
Yes sadly I did!! despair and the radio at serious risk of my foots attention was my take on it,The
s were hanging on his every word ,real grist for the biased broadcasting Corps true love ..Surprised to see Nick Cledge on TV apparently at dawn, standing at Lands End to meet some party faithful (who TF else would visit LE at dawn in early May?) and being told he is on his way to John O'Groats. This is headline news. Who really gives a monkey's?
But wait! Why is he travelling 1000 miles when telephone conferencing was meant to have replaced face to face meetings?
What of his carbon footprint - that calculation we were all meant to abide by to safeguard our fragile ecosystem?
Was his bus eco powered? And the airplane/helicopter/train/private car?
I am much confused?
But wait! Why is he travelling 1000 miles when telephone conferencing was meant to have replaced face to face meetings?
What of his carbon footprint - that calculation we were all meant to abide by to safeguard our fragile ecosystem?
Was his bus eco powered? And the airplane/helicopter/train/private car?
I am much confused?
Because he's a smug, self-satisfied, third rate, opportunistic fool. Just like Ed & Dave and the vast majority of chancers who describe themselves as 'politicians'.
We are 'led' by grey men and women, leading grey lives. If they ever had an original thought they'd have to go and have a lie down in a darkened room, just to get over the experience. Although they are well endowed with brass necks, they couldn't muster a backbone between them all.
A pox on the lot of them.
And breathe.
We are 'led' by grey men and women, leading grey lives. If they ever had an original thought they'd have to go and have a lie down in a darkened room, just to get over the experience. Although they are well endowed with brass necks, they couldn't muster a backbone between them all.
A pox on the lot of them.
And breathe.
It looks like Fiji's CMD/Clegg wants Compo from NZ and Oz for Foggy climate.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/552767/austr...
Hardly a surprise that this in the Bangkok Post rather than UK MSM, but it can't be long before the BBC gets going once Harrabin has had his cornflakes.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/552767/austr...
Hardly a surprise that this in the Bangkok Post rather than UK MSM, but it can't be long before the BBC gets going once Harrabin has had his cornflakes.
AreOut said:
Excellent, but there must be as many again failed daft predictions from inadequate climate models based on junkscience.Someone's found the sinks....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-306...
... Awaits plan to create man made fjords to save us from catastrophe.....shouldn't cost to much in green taxs....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-306...
... Awaits plan to create man made fjords to save us from catastrophe.....shouldn't cost to much in green taxs....
Mr GrimNasty said:
turbobloke said:
It's hilarious, but politicians think it's ace. Then, if/when it gets cold...
Tesla has never turned a profit or made anything that reaches a sensible cost/performance compromise. You have to wonder how the company continues to exist (I know the answer)!Apparently the life of these 'wall' batteries is about 9 years (if used optimally presumably) and then you have to charge them, so to be self sufficient you need windmills/panels at £thousands which will also need to be replaced in a decade or so, then you need £30K? of insulation so that you can eek out what power you store. Even using off-peak to charge doesn't make it economically viable?
So even at a very conservative guess, using a 'wall' your electricity will cost 2 - 4 times current prices.
And the BBC has been lauding this like some marvelous 'free' energy revolution.
The BBC has also been doing some factual accuracy/balance omitting reporting on an Arctic Ice research boat and current/future Arctic ice the last 2 days. Typical.
Having said that, I do like Elon he's done some cool stuff. But not everything hes touted is new or really that innovative, someone has already dreamed it up before he did. He just has the money to enact it.
Bacardi said:
Someone's found the sinks....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-306...
... Awaits plan to create man made fjords to save us from catastrophe.....shouldn't cost to much in green taxes....
Cheap at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-306...
... Awaits plan to create man made fjords to save us from catastrophe.....shouldn't cost to much in green taxes....
and as rightly indicated, new fjording hoarding would be needed. They've been doing this for years and years and...what global warming? Did the fjords suddenly start overtime rates 20 years ago?"scientists say they could provide carbon sinks to combat global warming"
They could if carbon dioxide was causing global warming and we somehow built new fjords. Fail on both counts.
turbobloke said:
Cheap at twice half the price and even then maybe not and as rightly indicated, new fjording hoarding would be needed. They've been doing this for years and years and...what global warming? Did the fjords suddenly start overtime rates 20 years ago?
"scientists say they could provide carbon sinks to combat global warming"
They could if carbon dioxide was causing global warming and we somehow built new fjords. Fail on both counts.
Not true, the simple way to make new fjords is simply raise the water level. Maybe by melting some ice... and as rightly indicated, new fjording hoarding would be needed. They've been doing this for years and years and...what global warming? Did the fjords suddenly start overtime rates 20 years ago?"scientists say they could provide carbon sinks to combat global warming"
They could if carbon dioxide was causing global warming and we somehow built new fjords. Fail on both counts.
Symptomless Coma said:
turbobloke said:
Cheap at twice half the price and even then maybe not and as rightly indicated, new fjording hoarding would be needed. They've been doing this for years and years and...what global warming? Did the fjords suddenly start overtime rates 20 years ago?
"scientists say they could provide carbon sinks to combat global warming"
They could if carbon dioxide was causing global warming and we somehow built new fjords. Fail on both counts.
Not true, the simple way to make new fjords is simply raise the water level. Maybe by melting some ice... and as rightly indicated, new fjording hoarding would be needed. They've been doing this for years and years and...what global warming? Did the fjords suddenly start overtime rates 20 years ago?"scientists say they could provide carbon sinks to combat global warming"
They could if carbon dioxide was causing global warming and we somehow built new fjords. Fail on both counts.
and the rest is true as well.It's tough being a climate engineer, you melt some ice then it falls as snow.
New ph(r)ase: in a cooling world...
Bacardi said:
Someone's found the sinks....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-306...
... Awaits plan to create man made fjords to save us from catastrophe.....shouldn't cost to much in green taxs....
Yeh!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-306...
... Awaits plan to create man made fjords to save us from catastrophe.....shouldn't cost to much in green taxs....
Carbon Cycle!
Has been finally discovered!
Oh wait....
Ah ha ha ah!
Now those tectonic plates - unruly as they are, should not be permitted to absolve themselves of any responsibility on this eve of election.
Will they be mainly?
Allegedly, there's feck all can be done with tectonic movements!
Voting is different.
Now those tectonic plates - unruly as they are, should not be permitted to absolve themselves of any responsibility on this eve of election.
Will they be mainly?
- Move Any Mountain,
- The Earth Moved For Me,
- Goin' Under,
- Strictly Business - That's What We Do
Allegedly, there's feck all can be done with tectonic movements!
Voting is different.
Tesla battery 'wall' even more uneconomic/pointless than first thought - don't even endorse it 'themselves'?
http://www.thegwpf.com/oops-teslas-green-battery-d...
http://www.thegwpf.com/oops-teslas-green-battery-d...
turbobloke said:
AreOut said:
Excellent, but there must be as many again failed daft predictions from inadequate climate models based on junkscience.If ever there were an apt name, Max Planck is it...
mybrainhurts said:
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology...
If ever there were an apt name, Max Planck is it...
Max PlanckIf ever there were an apt name, Max Planck is it...
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/lau...
Not sure if serious mbh?
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