Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[turbobloke]

Superficially appealing but potentially worse than previously thought so CMD is bound to go with it.

http://www.politico.eu/article/go-green-david-came...

[4v6]

All I really want answered is:

"Why is destruction and horror the only predicted outcome for global warming or climate change?"

Sceptical me thinks its because theres just no money in benign outcomes....

[hidetheelephants]

turbobloke said:

Superficially appealing but potentially worse than previously thought so CMD is bound to go with it.

http://www.politico.eu/article/go-green-david-came...

He explores some interesting ideas there but didn't tie them together very well. I'd expect little change in this parliament as they are going to have their hands full with the nonsense they've already announced; what's in the Queen's speech should give indication.

[Pesty]

NASA say we're doomed.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/weakening-antarctic...


Listening to radio 4 this morning somebody spouting now that the conservatives were in there will be no more wind turbines and it's a disaster ....

[hidetheelephants]

Pesty said:

NASA say we're doomed.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/weakening-antarctic...


Listening to radio 4 this morning somebody spouting now that the conservatives were in there will be no more wind turbines and it's a disaster ....

Ben Bradshaw was on Any Questions whining about how the tory government will bring about the end of the world because they're going to stop all windfarm development; if that was actually true I might have voted for them, but it only applies to the land-based cash cows, not the watery ones which cost 4 times as much. He's got a fking nerve complaining about how this will slow the reduction of the UK's carbon dioxide emissions; if that had been the priority they'd have been building nuclear power stations instead of subsidising landowners with windfarms and middleclass homeowners with solar panels. Hypocritical prick.

[turbobloke]

Pesty said:

NASA say we're doomed.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/weakening-antarctic...

Yes indeed they're getting almost as bad as the Royal Sorcery.

"NASA finds..." no established causality to humans anywhere.

Pesty said:

Listening to radio 4 this morning somebody spouting now that the conservatives were in there will be no more wind turbines...

We can only hope!

Pesty said:

...(R4 said) it's a disaster ....

It would be if they kept going with pointless and expensive windymills - the hope is that Osborne continues to listen to Lord Lawson then manages to keep his boss in the real world.

Fewer sightings of the infamous CMD lime green tie would help as well, with taste and decency.

[rovermorris999]

More 'anecdotes' from 1922
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/16/headline-ind...

[PRTVR]

rovermorris999 said:

More 'anecdotes' from 1922
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/16/headline-ind...

How dare you post links to newspaper clippings, do you not realise we are paying lots of scientists to come up with the correct answer.

[turbobloke]

rovermorris999 said:

More 'anecdotes' from 1922
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/16/headline-ind...

WUWT does a neat take on that. We've seen similar relating to 1922.



Anthony Watts et al should start looking around 1817 for a repeat performance.



Periods of natural Arctic warming and major ice loss are natural.

[robinessex]

And then, about circa 1960/70, they were predicting an ice age ............opps !!!!

[GrumpyV8]

Can someone more learned than me explain the process of 'regeneration' of a DPF as fitted to diesel fueled vehicles please? I understand these filters collect various crap such as carbon particles and then 'burn them off'. If this is the case what happens to these particles? Is CO2 produced in this process and if so is this factored into the total emissions of said vehicle?

Apologies if previously covered.

[AreOut]

when they are clogged they increase fuel consumption and CO2, they also increase them slightly(but very slightly) when they are functional

[turbobloke]

• Oxford University takes a Moral Stand on Coal and Tar-sands

• Oxford, UK, Monday 18th May - the University of Oxford has just confirmed that it is excluding companies involved in the extraction of coal and tar-sands from its direct investments on ethical grounds.

muppets posturing

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

*Oxford University takes a Moral Stand on Coal and Tar-sands

• Oxford, UK, Monday 18th May - the University of Oxford has just confirmed that it is excluding companies involved in the extraction of coal and tar-sands from its direct investments on ethical grounds.

muppets posturing

There is a saying in Academia:

"You can always tell an Oxford man, but you can't tell him much".

I heard this for the first time a couple of decades ago. I have yet to observe any weakness in the analysis.

[hidetheelephants]

World continues turning. It's worse than we thought.

[mybrainhurts]

BBC World Service last night reported they've found the missing heat. It didn't go into the Pacific, it was blown away and sucked into the Indian Ocean.

I reckon it went into the Manchester Ship Canal, but what do I know?

Next news item was Ivory Coast's first chocolate factory opened. Imagine the CO2 that's going to generate. I think we're done for.

[turbobloke]

mybrainhurts said:

BBC World Service last night reported they've found the missing heat. It didn't go into the Pacific, it was blown away and sucked into the Indian Ocean.

Naming an ocean is a bit glib at best. Wunsch and Heimbach (2014) reported cooling in the abyssal oceans and that it's not possible to rationalise the 'pause' that way.

Overall the temperature of the upper half of the world’s oceans has been rising, but nowhere near fast enough to account for the 'pause' in air temperatures compared to model expectations.

Another biased fail for the beeb, but only to be expected.

mybrainhurts said:

I reckon it went into the Manchester Ship Canal, but what do I know?

You could apply for a generous grant to test that idea, it works for The Team. PHers will carry your thermometers and help count the moolah, you can always hide any decline then publish and be lauded.

[jurbie]

mybrainhurts said:

BBC World Service last night reported they've found the missing heat. It didn't go into the Pacific, it was blown away and sucked into the Indian Ocean.

I reckon it went into the Manchester Ship Canal, but what do I know?

Next news item was Ivory Coast's first chocolate factory opened. Imagine the CO2 that's going to generate. I think we're done for.

It's actually in my shed. It always amazes me how warm my shed is even in the dead of winter. I've therefore created a model which takes the difference in temperature inside my shed to that of the outside temperature and extrapolates it across all the sheds in the world. The science is clear and we must act now.

[Beati Dogu]

Like the greenhouse effect, but with less glass.

[motco]

Beati Dogu said:

Like the greenhouse effect, but with less glass.

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