Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[turbobloke]

motco said:

The Don of Croy said:

robinessex said:

Another piece of complete nonsense from a useless commitee :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3331...

Maybe if it was closed, it would make a significant contribution the lowering of the CO2 output of the UK

They covered some of this on R4 Today 'flagship' news prog this am - with the necessary input from Harrabin. Calls to continue subsidy to prevent energy bills going up? How does that effing work? Shirley a subsidy is just one set of tax payers shovelling money in to keep another branch of the magic money tree looking healthy?

And no-one on the incisive news prog seems to be able to dig down into this. Laughable.

You don't understand. According to R4 this morning we will obtain most of our energy from renewables like wind, solar, and waves by 2030 so fracking will not be needed - ever. Removing subsidies will mean more energy will need to come from offshore wind (dearer) to "make up the loss of onshore wind". You'd almost think the wind input was vital to our survival, so great is it.

According to the UK Wind Energy Database there are 5,083 onshore turbines and 1,452 offshore turbines. The UK masterplan for 2030 requires approximately 15,000 onshore and 7,000 ofshore windymills. Naturally nobody can't say precisely as it depends on how windy it is if there's any wind at all (winter cold snap).

That's 10,000 more onshore white elephants and 5,500 offshore, which equates to 2 new onshore turbines per day and 1 new offshore turbine per day, every day.

In 2008 the total of onshore plus offshore needed was only 2 per day, not 3, we're slipping.

This despite the information being widely available that renewables simply cannot work.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-...

[motco]

XM5ER said:

I made a prediction based on previous observations and by extrapolating from them that there would be a rapid upwelling of climate wang on the BBC this week as a result of the very late arrival of summer (now known as a "heat wave", or "extreme weather"). And right on que Lord Debden arrives in the R4 studios to proclaim that it's the end of the world and anyone who disagrees is an oil funded puppy killer.

Where the Hell was Dippy Debden in 1976? He would have wet himself with delight because weeks passed with the thermometers peaking in the thirties every day. I didn't put the hood up on my Midget for five weeks.

[Terminator X]

XM5ER said:

I made a prediction based on previous observations and by extrapolating from them that there would be a rapid upwelling of climate wang on the BBC this week as a result of the very late arrival of summer (now known as a "heat wave", or "extreme weather"). And right on que Lord Debden arrives in the R4 studios to proclaim that it's the end of the world and anyone who disagrees is an oil funded puppy killer.

Indeed it has never ever been hotter FACT ...



TX.

[turbobloke]

This is part of the same natural cycle...updated with a hint of txtspk for wider appreciation, including those ~19 or under who have never experienced any global warming even using the fiddled data.

[turbobloke]

For traditionalists who remember the likes of 1976.

[Ali G]

Tad warm myself (wheresoever the precise measurement of 'tad' exists - I'll leave open to conjecture and/or research)

Hottest UK temperature in recent history?

We're looking for 40 Celsius to beat records.

Air temp.

Above ground.

No 'tarmac' below.

No aircon outlets around.

etc.

[turbobloke]

What temperature is needed for politicians and journalists to understand what established causality and unambiguous attribution mean?

As opposed to statements of percentage certainty of belief in warmist tax gas faith, where the percentage increases when the gas levels go up and up but warming stops happening for ~19 years.

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

What temperature is needed for politicians and journalists to understand what established causality and unambiguous attribution mean?

As opposed to statements of percentage certainty of belief in warmist tax gas faith, where the percentage increases when the gas levels go up and up but warming stops happening for ~19 years.

TB - your are thinking in terms of "reality".

But "reality", as presented on TV and now "streaming media" is, intentionally one assumes, nothing like reality.

However 20 years of some Dutch "reality" philosophy from Endomol (can it be purely chance that such a name sounds like a generic drug brand possibly used in treating psychotic cases~?) has managed to reduce the 4th estate and anyone still wishing to be a politician to the competence of a small rodent with only half a brain.

Why are so many of these people so stupid?

The answer has to to be found somewhere in the "selfie", both textual and visual, culture. And if that seems to offer only half the answer then the education system, as promulgated by Bliar, may provide the rest of of the answer.

Blair and his people seem to have so much to answer for yet only now are the results of his tenure of power becoming evident. Do we still have St. Helena under governance? Could we send him there along with most of his mates?

Now that WOULD make a good reality show.

[Ali G]

turbobloke said:

What temperature education is needed for politicians and journalists to understand what established causality and unambiguous attribution mean?

As opposed to statements of percentage certainty of belief in warmist tax gas faith, where the percentage increases when the gas levels go up and up but warming stops happening for ~19 years.

Apologies for the change - in my eyes it appears better.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Reading some stuff in the independent. "Hottest temperatures in a decade" ... I bet conveniently omitting that before that decade, hotter temperatures were seen? Also speed restrictions on tube lines because the extreme heat may buckle track...

Because you know, engineers won't have factored in thermal expansion and of course the modulus of steel drops off significantly with just a few degrees increase. And of course, its not the same steel track that is used all over the world in much hotter climates without much issue. And if it Corus made steel track then it'd have been all buckled and wobbly when it came out the factory anyway, so whats the big issue.

[The Don of Croy]

Otispunkmeyer said:

..heat may buckle track...

Time to play seasonal news bingo - search for these and tick them off for a full house;

Hosepipe ban
Tar melting on motorway
Animals in zoo kept cool with hose
Cracks in football pitches
Frying egg on LandRover Mk1 front wing
National ice cream shortage
England lose Ashes series
40,000 deaths in France due to heatstroke*

• This one is less amusing

[Mr GrimNasty]

"Bill Gates: Renewable Energy Can’t Do The Job"

http://www.thegwpf.com/bill-gates-renewable-energy...

[XM5ER]

Mr GrimNasty said:

"Bill Gates: Renewable Energy Can’t Do The Job"

http://www.thegwpf.com/bill-gates-renewable-energy...

Old Billy boy is about to discover what happens when you go against the liberal consensus.

[chris watton]

XM5ER said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

"Bill Gates: Renewable Energy Can’t Do The Job"

http://www.thegwpf.com/bill-gates-renewable-energy...

Old Billy boy is about to discover what happens when you go against the liberal consensus.

I am wondering if the 'Liberal Consensus' is as strong as it once was.

[turbobloke]

The Don of Croy said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

..heat may buckle track...

Time to play seasonal news bingo - search for these and tick them off for a full house;

Hosepipe ban
Tar melting on motorway
Animals in zoo kept cool with hose
Cracks in football pitches
Frying egg on LandRover Mk1 front wing
National ice cream shortage
England lose Ashes series
40,000 deaths in France due to heatstroke*

• This one is less amusing

Agreed, far less amusing, but was it not exceptionally fourteen thousand (France) as opposed to forty thousand - though either way, such a total isn't good, more aircon was needed.

"14,802 heat-related deaths (mostly among the elderly) occurred during the heat wave, according to the French National Institute of Health."

That was for the scorcher of 2003, when the regions affected had little awareness of rehydration and aircon was conspicuous by its absence. Even so it may be as you describe it, my memory is good for 2003 rather than another year.

We had the bedroom aircon on last night for the first time this year, 19 deg C felt very cool given it started out as 25 deg C when switched on. All was doubly well as the aircon was no doubt powered by turbines harnessing energy from the beating wings of renewable fairies.

With numbers twenty thousand up of seasonal deaths in a single nation e.g. in the UK we're talking winter and cold-related deaths are we not?

[With these feet]

The Don of Croy said:

Time to play seasonal news bingo - search for these and tick them off for a full house;

Hosepipe ban
Tar melting on motorway
Animals in zoo kept cool with hose
Cracks in football pitches
Frying egg on LandRover Mk1 front wing
National ice cream shortage
England lose Ashes series
40,000 deaths in France due to heatstroke*

• This one is less amusing

4000 holes in Blackburn Lancashire.

Oh no, thats right, the council went against their advisors on that, so that wont happen....

[turbobloke]

chris watton said:

XM5ER said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

"Bill Gates: Renewable Energy Can’t Do The Job"

http://www.thegwpf.com/bill-gates-renewable-energy...

Old Billy boy is about to discover what happens when you go against the liberal consensus.

I am wondering if the 'Liberal Consensus' is as strong as it once was.

And either way, with Mr G burning $100 bills to keep warm in winter cold snaps...OK naybe not, but could he really give a st what people think about his accurate view of renewables when he's still richer than Croesus and the Bill & Mrs Bill Foundation people are handing out more dosh to deserving causes than Bliar and Brownybot ever did to less worthy ones.

Greece could do with him around these days. Croesus, not Gates, though maybe they could sell Bill an island.

[XM5ER]

turbobloke said:

And either way, with Mr G burning $100 bills to keep warm in winter cold snaps...OK naybe not, but could he really give a st what people think about his accurate view of renewables when he's still richer than Croesus and the Bill & Mrs Bill Foundation people are handing out more dosh to deserving causes than Bliar and Brownybot ever did to less worthy ones.

Greece could do with him around these days. Croesus, not Gates, though maybe they could sell Bill an island.

He probably wont give a hoot, but it will be interesting to watch. Having said that, the twitter mobs only tend to bully people who can't defend themselves.

[turbobloke]

XM5ER said:

turbobloke said:

And either way, with Mr G burning $100 bills to keep warm in winter cold snaps...OK naybe not, but could he really give a st what people think about his accurate view of renewables when he's still richer than Croesus and the Bill & Mrs Bill Foundation people are handing out more dosh to deserving causes than Bliar and Brownybot ever did to less worthy ones.

Greece could do with him around these days. Croesus, not Gates, though maybe they could sell Bill an island.

He probably wont give a hoot, but it will be interesting to watch. Having said that, the twitter mobs only tend to bully people who can't defend themselves.

Yes, good point. It could be good spectator sport and Bill is...Bill.

[mybrainhurts]

Mr GrimNasty said:

"Bill Gates: Renewable Energy Can’t Do The Job"

http://www.thegwpf.com/bill-gates-renewable-energy...

"Gates says he’ll personally put his money where his mouth is. He’s apparently invested $1bn of his own cash in low-carbon energy R&D already, and “over the next five years, there’s a good chance that will double,” he said."

Is that a record for wasting money on pointless things? If you ignore Gordon Brown, of course...