Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Hanoi Jane is a believer:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
Beati Dogu said:
Hanoi Jane is a believer:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
“I said, ‘What can I do?’ ” Fonda recalls. How about you and all your sheep stop wizzing around the world and creating yet more CO2. And mouth shut will also contribute the lessoning of excess quantities of the evil gas as well.http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
Beati Dogu said:
Hanoi Jane is a believer:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
"Touching down Friday night from Los Angeles"http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
Shouldn't she have cycled? I mean, flying around the world to explain why we should not fly? There is an IQ drop in there somewhere....
Jasandjules said:
Beati Dogu said:
Hanoi Jane is a believer:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
"Touching down Friday night from Los Angeles"http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
Shouldn't she have cycled? I mean, flying around the world to explain why we should not fly? There is an IQ drop in there somewhere....
robinessex said:
Beati Dogu said:
Hanoi Jane is a believer:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
“I said, ‘What can I do?’ ” Fonda recalls. How about you and all your sheep stop wizzing around the world and creating yet more CO2. And mouth shut will also contribute the lessoning of excess quantities of the evil gas as well.http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/07/04/jane-fo...
I know; I was shocked too.
Yet another example of "do as I say - not as I do"?
Moonhawk said:
I wonder what the carbon footprint of the average celeb is? Somehow I hazard it is larger than your average joe bloggs.
Yet another example of "do as I say - not as I do"?
Yes but they have a NEED to fly and have 3 houses to promote their next/last/future projectYet another example of "do as I say - not as I do"?
Whereas you only need your car to get to work so you should find an alternative.
turbobloke said:
hidetheelephants said:
turbobloke said:
For those who might be nursing a hangover or be in a delicate state for other reasons, Stewart Lee reckons it’s too late to save the planet. As a result we should get our irony out and enjoy the spectacle of doom.
It's always difficult to tell whether he's taking the piss or not; sometimes I think he doesn't know either.Walk on the rural paths and the cowslips, nettles, nepalese balsam, grasses etc etc are all advanced and healthy. Presumably none of them rely on insect interaction to propagate?
Of course you shouldn't venture out without taking heed of the weatherman's advice ref. pollen, air quality, solar irradiation, lightning, flash floods, or radicalisation by nematodes.
krunchkin said:
The comments are hysterical. Not funny, just hysterical. 'ClaireLondon' must be having a breakdown. Clearly not right...And they give space to the usual crew calling for the death of humankind and the murder of business people and politicians.Nice.
LastLight said:
krunchkin said:
The comments are hysterical. Not funny, just hysterical. 'ClaireLondon' must be having a breakdown. Clearly not right...And they give space to the usual crew calling for the death of humankind and the murder of business people and politicians.Nice.
Somebody said:
Powerful and reproaching , and sheer inspiration to the efficiuhnt trapper . If one has mood for doom, it is fetid fester on Now Lane, out of present tense heretical yippee , and is sullen, disconsolating, and talks malady chatteringly within my friends esophogus....grief for his beagle that died this day....a death hymn underurged as earthen dendrites nerver stele...dirt, gentle pats of titanium clods , and we did love that dog, are positive pallish proof that a new Sun shall dawn knocking who's there jokes, and pray atrophy is how Houdini played a competent brass trump of daring instigation .Hound of treatise solarfish, i shall remember thee. Loo!
motco said:
LastLight said:
krunchkin said:
The comments are hysterical. Not funny, just hysterical. 'ClaireLondon' must be having a breakdown. Clearly not right...And they give space to the usual crew calling for the death of humankind and the murder of business people and politicians.Nice.
Somebody said:
Powerful and reproaching , and sheer inspiration to the efficiuhnt trapper . If one has mood for doom, it is fetid fester on Now Lane, out of present tense heretical yippee , and is sullen, disconsolating, and talks malady chatteringly within my friends esophogus....grief for his beagle that died this day....a death hymn underurged as earthen dendrites nerver stele...dirt, gentle pats of titanium clods , and we did love that dog, are positive pallish proof that a new Sun shall dawn knocking who's there jokes, and pray atrophy is how Houdini played a competent brass trump of daring instigation .Hound of treatise solarfish, i shall remember thee. Loo!
turbobloke said:
motco said:
LastLight said:
krunchkin said:
The comments are hysterical. Not funny, just hysterical. 'ClaireLondon' must be having a breakdown. Clearly not right...And they give space to the usual crew calling for the death of humankind and the murder of business people and politicians.Nice.
Somebody said:
Powerful and reproaching , and sheer inspiration to the efficiuhnt trapper . If one has mood for doom, it is fetid fester on Now Lane, out of present tense heretical yippee , and is sullen, disconsolating, and talks malady chatteringly within my friends esophogus....grief for his beagle that died this day....a death hymn underurged as earthen dendrites nerver stele...dirt, gentle pats of titanium clods , and we did love that dog, are positive pallish proof that a new Sun shall dawn knocking who's there jokes, and pray atrophy is how Houdini played a competent brass trump of daring instigation .Hound of treatise solarfish, i shall remember thee. Loo!
worth saving Clare's words here for posterity. Quite magnificent..
This is a bitterly wonderful piece of writing.
You share my horror, clearly, anguish and terror, about the imminent collapse of life on earth through climate change.
I want more famous people to speak out on this issue. Celebrities with clout ought to be making public statements of intent, to influence others.
For god's sake, we live in the internet age. It should be possible to organise and change the direction the planet is being forced to take - if we all get together and act in consort.
There is leaking from your article negativity, hopelessness and a certain depression about the situation we are all facing, with the ***business as usual*** model. We all feel helpless in the face of overwhelming forces.
But - do we need to feel so helpless? If hundreds of millions around the world protested and fought for survival, would we not force the business community to release its strangelhold? Would we not force politicians to act to radically reduce emissions and return humanity to a state of (potential - only potential) survival?
You lot, Stewart Lee, all the celebrated people you know, and all the celebrated people they know, should take a lead.
You should all make public pledges, proclaimed around the world - radical, meaningful pledges, about your own reduction of CO2 emissions, your refusal to travel on aeroplanes, your commitment to a largely vegetarian diet, wearing warm clothes rather than heating your environment. You should all publicise a radical agenda on emissions around the world, so that it becomes a big news story.
You celebrities have currency in today's world. It seems politicians are too weak and pathetic to do anything about this terrifying issue. But you celebrities have arguably the only meaningful currency in contest wtih the business community, and you should use it .
You and Russell Brand and Naomi Woolf, Monbiot, Owen Jones, Rusbridger and thousands of others who could actually bring pressure to bear should start by making public pledges about radical changes to their own life and you should enlist millions of others to the cause.
This is an absolute moral imperative and your absolute duty to do what you can at this nth hour.
I can do nothing but cry out on here. I have no power whatsoever. You have a little power. Others have a little more.
USE IT.
This is a bitterly wonderful piece of writing.
You share my horror, clearly, anguish and terror, about the imminent collapse of life on earth through climate change.
I want more famous people to speak out on this issue. Celebrities with clout ought to be making public statements of intent, to influence others.
For god's sake, we live in the internet age. It should be possible to organise and change the direction the planet is being forced to take - if we all get together and act in consort.
There is leaking from your article negativity, hopelessness and a certain depression about the situation we are all facing, with the ***business as usual*** model. We all feel helpless in the face of overwhelming forces.
But - do we need to feel so helpless? If hundreds of millions around the world protested and fought for survival, would we not force the business community to release its strangelhold? Would we not force politicians to act to radically reduce emissions and return humanity to a state of (potential - only potential) survival?
You lot, Stewart Lee, all the celebrated people you know, and all the celebrated people they know, should take a lead.
You should all make public pledges, proclaimed around the world - radical, meaningful pledges, about your own reduction of CO2 emissions, your refusal to travel on aeroplanes, your commitment to a largely vegetarian diet, wearing warm clothes rather than heating your environment. You should all publicise a radical agenda on emissions around the world, so that it becomes a big news story.
You celebrities have currency in today's world. It seems politicians are too weak and pathetic to do anything about this terrifying issue. But you celebrities have arguably the only meaningful currency in contest wtih the business community, and you should use it .
You and Russell Brand and Naomi Woolf, Monbiot, Owen Jones, Rusbridger and thousands of others who could actually bring pressure to bear should start by making public pledges about radical changes to their own life and you should enlist millions of others to the cause.
This is an absolute moral imperative and your absolute duty to do what you can at this nth hour.
I can do nothing but cry out on here. I have no power whatsoever. You have a little power. Others have a little more.
USE IT.
and some more of her thoughts...
When temperatures raise by the projected 2 degrees, it won't stop there. Temperatures will raise exponentially to 4 - 6 - 8 degrees, at which level human beings will simply burn alive outdoors.
But well before that, what are we going to do about all the nuclear reactors heating up, without water to keep the reactors cool? Serious drought is on the doorstep and that, combined with inflated temperatures, does not sit prettily with the enormous amount of stored nuclear power all around the world.
We have probably no more than 20 - 30 years of life remaining on earth. The whole thing is going to go up, in nuclear explositoins, in unstoppable fires, in countries going underwater en masse, in a wipeout of crops and loss of water.
The end is not going to be pleasant. It's very very sad indeed.
When temperatures raise by the projected 2 degrees, it won't stop there. Temperatures will raise exponentially to 4 - 6 - 8 degrees, at which level human beings will simply burn alive outdoors.
But well before that, what are we going to do about all the nuclear reactors heating up, without water to keep the reactors cool? Serious drought is on the doorstep and that, combined with inflated temperatures, does not sit prettily with the enormous amount of stored nuclear power all around the world.
We have probably no more than 20 - 30 years of life remaining on earth. The whole thing is going to go up, in nuclear explositoins, in unstoppable fires, in countries going underwater en masse, in a wipeout of crops and loss of water.
The end is not going to be pleasant. It's very very sad indeed.
Blib said:
shadow cc and energy bint on R4 said:
The relationship between costs of energy to the suppliers and the cost to consumers no longer tracks. The government need to make it easier to switch suppliers (why?). the government needs to legislate against energy suppliers to make sure its their fault (I paraphrase)
Obiw
kinobe said:
kinobe said: These are not the answers you are looking for
Does she understand the phrase "cognitive dissonance"? "I just don't understand it. I have 20 diet shakes a day and I still don't lose any weight"
Putting Brand and Monbiot in proximity risks forming a chaotic climate singularity, infinitely dense with maximum heat but zero light.
The type of response in that extract (Clare) could go some way to explaining this utterly ridiculous yet sad phenomenon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...
The type of response in that extract (Clare) could go some way to explaining this utterly ridiculous yet sad phenomenon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...
krunchkin said:
and some more of her thoughts...
When temperatures raise by the projected 2 degrees, it won't stop there. Temperatures will raise exponentially to 4 - 6 - 8 degrees, at which level human beings will simply burn alive outdoors.
But well before that, what are we going to do about all the nuclear reactors heating up, without water to keep the reactors cool? Serious drought is on the doorstep and that, combined with inflated temperatures, does not sit prettily with the enormous amount of stored nuclear power all around the world.
We have probably no more than 20 - 30 years of life remaining on earth. The whole thing is going to go up, in nuclear explositoins, in unstoppable fires, in countries going underwater en masse, in a wipeout of crops and loss of water.
The end is not going to be pleasant. It's very very sad indeed.
Oxymoron, or just moron? When temperatures raise by the projected 2 degrees, it won't stop there. Temperatures will raise exponentially to 4 - 6 - 8 degrees, at which level human beings will simply burn alive outdoors.
But well before that, what are we going to do about all the nuclear reactors heating up, without water to keep the reactors cool? Serious drought is on the doorstep and that, combined with inflated temperatures, does not sit prettily with the enormous amount of stored nuclear power all around the world.
We have probably no more than 20 - 30 years of life remaining on earth. The whole thing is going to go up, in nuclear explositoins, in unstoppable fires, in countries going underwater en masse, in a wipeout of crops and loss of water.
The end is not going to be pleasant. It's very very sad indeed.
V88Dicky said:
krunchkin said:
and some more of her thoughts...
When temperatures raise by the projected 2 degrees, it won't stop there. Temperatures will raise exponentially to 4 - 6 - 8 degrees, at which level human beings will simply burn alive outdoors.
But well before that, what are we going to do about all the nuclear reactors heating up, without water to keep the reactors cool? Serious drought is on the doorstep and that, combined with inflated temperatures, does not sit prettily with the enormous amount of stored nuclear power all around the world.
We have probably no more than 20 - 30 years of life remaining on earth. The whole thing is going to go up, in nuclear explositoins, in unstoppable fires, in countries going underwater en masse, in a wipeout of crops and loss of water.
The end is not going to be pleasant. It's very very sad indeed.
Oxymoron, or just moron? When temperatures raise by the projected 2 degrees, it won't stop there. Temperatures will raise exponentially to 4 - 6 - 8 degrees, at which level human beings will simply burn alive outdoors.
But well before that, what are we going to do about all the nuclear reactors heating up, without water to keep the reactors cool? Serious drought is on the doorstep and that, combined with inflated temperatures, does not sit prettily with the enormous amount of stored nuclear power all around the world.
We have probably no more than 20 - 30 years of life remaining on earth. The whole thing is going to go up, in nuclear explositoins, in unstoppable fires, in countries going underwater en masse, in a wipeout of crops and loss of water.
The end is not going to be pleasant. It's very very sad indeed.
krunchkin said:
worth saving Clare's words here for posterity. Quite magnificent..
This is a bitterly wonderful piece of writing.
You share my horror, clearly, anguish and terror, about the imminent collapse of life on earth through climate change.
I want more famous people to speak out on this issue. Celebrities with clout ought to be making public statements of intent, to influence others.
For god's sake, we live in the internet age. It should be possible to organise and change the direction the planet is being forced to take - if we all get together and act in consort.
There is leaking from your article negativity, hopelessness and a certain depression about the situation we are all facing, with the ***business as usual*** model. We all feel helpless in the face of overwhelming forces.
But - do we need to feel so helpless? If hundreds of millions around the world protested and fought for survival, would we not force the business community to release its strangelhold? Would we not force politicians to act to radically reduce emissions and return humanity to a state of (potential - only potential) survival?
You lot, Stewart Lee, all the celebrated people you know, and all the celebrated people they know, should take a lead.
You should all make public pledges, proclaimed around the world - radical, meaningful pledges, about your own reduction of CO2 emissions, your refusal to travel on aeroplanes, your commitment to a largely vegetarian diet, wearing warm clothes rather than heating your environment. You should all publicise a radical agenda on emissions around the world, so that it becomes a big news story.
You celebrities have currency in today's world. It seems politicians are too weak and pathetic to do anything about this terrifying issue. But you celebrities have arguably the only meaningful currency in contest wtih the business community, and you should use it .
You and Russell Brand and Naomi Woolf, Monbiot, Owen Jones, Rusbridger and thousands of others who could actually bring pressure to bear should start by making public pledges about radical changes to their own life and you should enlist millions of others to the cause.
This is an absolute moral imperative and your absolute duty to do what you can at this nth hour.
I can do nothing but cry out on here. I have no power whatsoever. You have a little power. Others have a little more.
USE IT.
Thanks. Made my day....This is a bitterly wonderful piece of writing.
You share my horror, clearly, anguish and terror, about the imminent collapse of life on earth through climate change.
I want more famous people to speak out on this issue. Celebrities with clout ought to be making public statements of intent, to influence others.
For god's sake, we live in the internet age. It should be possible to organise and change the direction the planet is being forced to take - if we all get together and act in consort.
There is leaking from your article negativity, hopelessness and a certain depression about the situation we are all facing, with the ***business as usual*** model. We all feel helpless in the face of overwhelming forces.
But - do we need to feel so helpless? If hundreds of millions around the world protested and fought for survival, would we not force the business community to release its strangelhold? Would we not force politicians to act to radically reduce emissions and return humanity to a state of (potential - only potential) survival?
You lot, Stewart Lee, all the celebrated people you know, and all the celebrated people they know, should take a lead.
You should all make public pledges, proclaimed around the world - radical, meaningful pledges, about your own reduction of CO2 emissions, your refusal to travel on aeroplanes, your commitment to a largely vegetarian diet, wearing warm clothes rather than heating your environment. You should all publicise a radical agenda on emissions around the world, so that it becomes a big news story.
You celebrities have currency in today's world. It seems politicians are too weak and pathetic to do anything about this terrifying issue. But you celebrities have arguably the only meaningful currency in contest wtih the business community, and you should use it .
You and Russell Brand and Naomi Woolf, Monbiot, Owen Jones, Rusbridger and thousands of others who could actually bring pressure to bear should start by making public pledges about radical changes to their own life and you should enlist millions of others to the cause.
This is an absolute moral imperative and your absolute duty to do what you can at this nth hour.
I can do nothing but cry out on here. I have no power whatsoever. You have a little power. Others have a little more.
USE IT.
mybrainhurts said:
krunchkin said:
worth saving Clare's words here for posterity. Quite magnificent..
This is a bitterly wonderful piece of writing.
You share my horror, clearly, anguish and terror, about the imminent collapse of life on earth through climate change.
I want more famous people to speak out on this issue. Celebrities with clout ought to be making public statements of intent, to influence others.
For god's sake, we live in the internet age. It should be possible to organise and change the direction the planet is being forced to take - if we all get together and act in consort.
There is leaking from your article negativity, hopelessness and a certain depression about the situation we are all facing, with the ***business as usual*** model. We all feel helpless in the face of overwhelming forces.
But - do we need to feel so helpless? If hundreds of millions around the world protested and fought for survival, would we not force the business community to release its strangelhold? Would we not force politicians to act to radically reduce emissions and return humanity to a state of (potential - only potential) survival?
You lot, Stewart Lee, all the celebrated people you know, and all the celebrated people they know, should take a lead.
You should all make public pledges, proclaimed around the world - radical, meaningful pledges, about your own reduction of CO2 emissions, your refusal to travel on aeroplanes, your commitment to a largely vegetarian diet, wearing warm clothes rather than heating your environment. You should all publicise a radical agenda on emissions around the world, so that it becomes a big news story.
You celebrities have currency in today's world. It seems politicians are too weak and pathetic to do anything about this terrifying issue. But you celebrities have arguably the only meaningful currency in contest wtih the business community, and you should use it .
You and Russell Brand and Naomi Woolf, Monbiot, Owen Jones, Rusbridger and thousands of others who could actually bring pressure to bear should start by making public pledges about radical changes to their own life and you should enlist millions of others to the cause.
This is an absolute moral imperative and your absolute duty to do what you can at this nth hour.
I can do nothing but cry out on here. I have no power whatsoever. You have a little power. Others have a little more.
USE IT.
Thanks. Made my day....This is a bitterly wonderful piece of writing.
You share my horror, clearly, anguish and terror, about the imminent collapse of life on earth through climate change.
I want more famous people to speak out on this issue. Celebrities with clout ought to be making public statements of intent, to influence others.
For god's sake, we live in the internet age. It should be possible to organise and change the direction the planet is being forced to take - if we all get together and act in consort.
There is leaking from your article negativity, hopelessness and a certain depression about the situation we are all facing, with the ***business as usual*** model. We all feel helpless in the face of overwhelming forces.
But - do we need to feel so helpless? If hundreds of millions around the world protested and fought for survival, would we not force the business community to release its strangelhold? Would we not force politicians to act to radically reduce emissions and return humanity to a state of (potential - only potential) survival?
You lot, Stewart Lee, all the celebrated people you know, and all the celebrated people they know, should take a lead.
You should all make public pledges, proclaimed around the world - radical, meaningful pledges, about your own reduction of CO2 emissions, your refusal to travel on aeroplanes, your commitment to a largely vegetarian diet, wearing warm clothes rather than heating your environment. You should all publicise a radical agenda on emissions around the world, so that it becomes a big news story.
You celebrities have currency in today's world. It seems politicians are too weak and pathetic to do anything about this terrifying issue. But you celebrities have arguably the only meaningful currency in contest wtih the business community, and you should use it .
You and Russell Brand and Naomi Woolf, Monbiot, Owen Jones, Rusbridger and thousands of others who could actually bring pressure to bear should start by making public pledges about radical changes to their own life and you should enlist millions of others to the cause.
This is an absolute moral imperative and your absolute duty to do what you can at this nth hour.
I can do nothing but cry out on here. I have no power whatsoever. You have a little power. Others have a little more.
USE IT.
Should be referred, obviously.
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