Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[turbobloke]

dickymint said:

Wonder what Josh could make out of this............

http://qz.com/445330/japan-is-building-solar-energ...

If only renewables had a point and could possibly work as a solution to a non-problem, as well as being easy on the eye

[WelshChris]

Greens = NIMBYs

Interesting article on the BBC (also covered on Countryfile last weekend) regarding the proposed re-opening of Dean Quarry in Cornwall:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-3340...

Of course they claim that untold environmental damage will result if the quarry re-opens.

The reason that the owners want to start working the quarry again is to provide stone for the new Swansea Bay tidal barrage - a new source of renewable energy. These people really need to sort out their double standards and NIMBYism before they start making noises about projects like this.

[dickymint]

WelshChris said:

Greens = NIMBYs

Interesting article on the BBC (also covered on Countryfile last weekend) regarding the proposed re-opening of Dean Quarry in Cornwall:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-3340...

Of course they claim that untold environmental damage will result if the quarry re-opens.

The reason that the owners want to start working the quarry again is to provide stone for the new Swansea Bay tidal barrage - a new source of renewable energy. These people really need to sort out their double standards and NIMBYism before they start making noises about projects like this.

Greenpiss are also quite happy that this could devastate the eel and elver migration!!

[chris watton]

I really hope we're seeing the beginning of the Green's influence wane. Yesterday's budget was a small step in the right direction, I think, and regarding EU funded Green projects, I would think that the Greece debacle would have eaten away at a lot of money. Perhaps a Green cull (a luxury the West increasingly cannot afford) is inevitable?

[LongQ]

WelshChris said:

The reason that the owners want to start working the quarry again is to provide stone for the new Swansea Bay tidal barrage - a new source of renewable energy. These people really need to sort out their double standards and NIMBYism before they start making noises about projects like this.

I think it's somewhat pleasing that they are self censoring what appear to be their own projects.

A little more experience and they should be able to kill off most of them before they are ever mentioned in public.

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

WelshChris said:

The reason that the owners want to start working the quarry again is to provide stone for the new Swansea Bay tidal barrage - a new source of renewable energy. These people really need to sort out their double standards and NIMBYism before they start making noises about projects like this.

I think it's somewhat pleasing that they are self censoring what appear to be their own projects.

A little more experience and they should be able to kill off most of them before they are ever mentioned in public.

That would be cool, almost as cool as Greens Protesting Greenism Isn't Green shocker.

[dudleybloke]

We should all live like Al Gore.....

Own several mansions all with AC.

Edited by dudleybloke on Thursday 9th July 14:07

[turbobloke]

dudleybloke said:

We should all live like Al Gore.....

Own several mansions all with AC.

And according to reports, not forgetting a foxtrot oscar 4x4 diesel...used if not owned.

ETA as per Porritt, seen dropping his daughter off by car at a well-known independent school.

Gaia must be counting the blessings of such chaps speaking out from their positions of anti-capitalist inconspicuous consumption, which in Gore's case equates to using more electricity per month in his 20-room, 8-bathroom mansion (located in the plush Belle Meade area of Nashville) than the average American household uses in an entire year - according to the Nashville Electric Service.

Edited by turbobloke on Thursday 9th July 15:07

[Roy Lime]

It might interest some on here to know that an organisation known as the Climate Outreach and Information Network (COIN) has produced an 'Uncertainty Handbook', giving tips on how to tackle arguments with sceptics.

I wonder if there are similar documents for dealing with cellular biology deniers or thermodynamics heretics.

[Beati Dogu]

Mr GrimNasty said:

The greens and animal rights (as demonstrated on the fox thread) are all highly illogical/perverted/hypocritical and willfully blind of their inconsistency/stupidity.

It's childlike emotionalism applied to adult issue; Like much of left wing thought.

[turbobloke]

Roy Lime said:

It might interest some on here to know that an organisation known as the Climate Outreach and Information Network (COIN) has produced an 'Uncertainty Handbook', giving tips on how to tackle arguments with sceptics.

I wonder if there are similar documents for dealing with cellular biology deniers or thermodynamics heretics.

Thanks for the heads-up. Here it is (pdf) and note that one of the authors is Lewandowsky.

http://www.climateoutreach.org.uk/download/5208

Commentary from the horse's mouth ass:

http://www.climateoutreach.org.uk/communicating-un...

[mko9]

Give them some credit, appeals to the scientific consensus didn't appear until all the way down at #3.

[Jasandjules]

dudleybloke said:

We should all live like Al Gore.....

Own several mansions all with AC.

Edited by dudleybloke on Thursday 9th July 14:07

And fly all over the world on private jets....

[turbobloke]

The environment scores three out of five today, from India with love and thanks for our ticket to ride fee as well as previous years' overseas aid to a country which has launched commercial payloads into space on a regular basis.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/isro-set-for-hea...

[rovermorris999]

Eco homes are hot stuff!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155640/Cr...

[Otispunkmeyer]

LongQ said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

dickymint said:

http://www.edie.net/news/6/Summer-Budget-2015-Geor...

"IEMA’s Nick Blyth said: "This is far from a green budget and we have concern over the Government’s commitment to the green economy. The Chancellor’s clear statement that the government will not extend the Coalition government’s commitment to increasing the proportion of revenue from environmental taxes to this Parliament is a backwards step."
Friends of the Earth senior economics campaigner David Powell said: "The next five years are crucial for breaking our dependency on climate-wrecking gas, coal and oil and dirty transport – so it’s appalling that the Chancellor has only added fossil fuel to the fire.
“Mr Osborne’s confirmation of huge tax breaks to North Sea gas and oil, and continuing support for deeply unpopular fracking, is particularly reckless as the world prepares for critical climate talks this December."

Yes, critical climate talks where the luvvies plus hangers on will jet off to a nice warm place to spout a load of hot air and eventually not come to any kind of conclusion. You might think the lack of conclusion is actually deliberate, you know, so that they get another tax funded jolly next year.

What have you heard about the winter temps in Paris this year?

Will all of the delegates generate their own heatwave?

Okay, Paris might not be warm (though it might warm up in the local vicinity when they are there) but its friggin expensive.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Mr GrimNasty said:

The greens and animal rights (as demonstrated on the fox thread) are all highly illogical/perverted/hypocritical and willfully blind of their inconsistency/stupidity.

Yep, I remember a power station near where I used to live. They were importing biomass/wood from Canada to burn in the boilers.... WTF kind of logic is that?

[LongQ]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Okay, Paris might not be warm (though it might warm up in the local vicinity when they are there) but its friggin expensive.

I expect Hollande will have negotiated a discount for them. The personal kudos that would become attached to him by hosting successful negotitation, where all before him have failed, would be too much for him to resit.

The French, priding themselves on their Diplomatic prowess, have probably deployed thousands of their civil servants and diplomats for the past year or so to ensure that their reputation as a country will be "enhanced" by the success.

Heck, if shootings at an obscure "satirical" magazine can elicit so much sympathetic western culture wide reaction image what being able to announce they had saved the planet would do for their reputation.

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

Roy Lime said:

It might interest some on here to know that an organisation known as the Climate Outreach and Information Network (COIN) has produced an 'Uncertainty Handbook', giving tips on how to tackle arguments with sceptics.

I wonder if there are similar documents for dealing with cellular biology deniers or thermodynamics heretics.

Thanks for the heads-up. Here it is (pdf) and note that one of the authors is Lewandowsky.

http://www.climateoutreach.org.uk/download/5208

Commentary from the horse's mouth ass:

http://www.climateoutreach.org.uk/communicating-un...

Ah. Written by a Single Issue Fanatic it would seem.

I wonder if the "Warm Words" manual from a few years ago is still in print?

Same idea, different production group.

[LongQ]

rovermorris999 said:

Eco homes are hot stuff!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155640/Cr...

Well, what a surprise.

Humans are not only good at creating "Eco" projects that screw up nature's environments - they screw up their own as well!

Amazing!

Or is it intentional?

If the over 75s are particularly prone to heat issues in the summer (and cold in the winter) then the "aging population" problem and the Country's would be readily fixed by ensuring the most people have to work into their 70s before they can retire and are encouraged to pass on at around 75.

I suspect it is all part of a grand plan.

On the other hand, when the ice age arrives, those in power will be able to claim they knew it was about to happen and that is why warm houses in summer were so important ...

I expect the RSPCA will save the day on the basis that such hot premises are bad for the health of animals and so allow them to start a campaign for compulsory air conditioning for any home with pets.

Edited by LongQ on Sunday 12th July 21:53