Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[Mr GrimNasty]

dxg said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Someone mentioned July 13th 1808 in a DM letter, sure enough, there are historical reports of people and animals dropping dead from heat exhaustion, 37C reported in Suffolk (but of course not reliable so doesn't officially exist!).

1808.

I repeat 1808!!!!!!!!!

Interesting compilation of notable weather.

http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclim...

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Friday 10th July 17:23

dickymint in the science thread said:

Today was the highest July temperature on record!! wait for it ......... recorded at Heathrow Airport - what a crock of st.

And trust me it'll only get worse banghead

Or was it?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11733731/Met-Of...

Dun, dun, DUN!

Already well and truly rubbished, on here and the BBQ thread and the blog referenced in the article.

It is clear that the July 'record' would have (a) not been noticed under old instrumentation/reading taking methods, and, (b) not have made it into the official record books owing to data quality issues - or at least would have been annotated as suspect.

I have my own insane vision in my head of some mischievous imp noticing that the record was close, deciding to inspect the instrument directly whilst taking a swig from a particularly hot cup of coffee and exhaling particularly hard.

[Mr GrimNasty]

The poll here (not new article, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/... ) currently shows -

85% of nearly 140K voters agree scientists have exaggerated global warming.

The public are not so easily fooled by a massively funded fraudulent propaganda campaign it seems.

[TheExcession]

hidetheelephants said:

glazbagun said:

Windmills in Denmark hit 140% of consumption on a particularly windy day:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/denmark-p...

What a ridiculous article, no mention of how the surplus is dealt with, sold off very cheaply to the Noggies or possibly having to pay other national grids to take it.

It's much worserer [sic] than that. Such a massive country with so few windmills.... just how do they manage to do it?

Oh wait...


Let's see - population ~5.6 million, number of wind turbines? Best figure I can find it for 2009 - when they had ~5000. What joy.

[dickymint]

dxg said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Someone mentioned July 13th 1808 in a DM letter, sure enough, there are historical reports of people and animals dropping dead from heat exhaustion, 37C reported in Suffolk (but of course not reliable so doesn't officially exist!).

1808.

I repeat 1808!!!!!!!!!

Interesting compilation of notable weather.

http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclim...

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Friday 10th July 17:23

dickymint in the science thread said:

Today was the highest July temperature on record!! wait for it ......... recorded at Heathrow Airport - what a crock of st.

And trust me it'll only get worse banghead

Or was it?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11733731/Met-Of...

Dun, dun, DUN!

Sky News about to discuss this after the break now.

Edit: took all of 20 seconds

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 12th July 23:07

[Pesty]

Australia stops wind farm subsidies


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/12...

[Cheese Mechanic]

TheExcession said:

hidetheelephants said:

glazbagun said:

Windmills in Denmark hit 140% of consumption on a particularly windy day:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/denmark-p...

What a ridiculous article, no mention of how the surplus is dealt with, sold off very cheaply to the Noggies or possibly having to pay other national grids to take it.

It's much worserer [sic] than that. Such a massive country with so few windmills.... just how do they manage to do it?
Oh wait...
Let's see - population ~5.6 million, number of wind turbines? Best figure I can find it for 2009 - when they had ~5000. What joy.

The worserist part for the Danes, is that they have the most expensive energy in Europe, in fact, aside a couple of tiny island states , they have the most expensive electricity in the World.

[Pesty]

Don't be silly you fascist oil drinking baby killer.

Wind is free. They must pay nothing.

[chris watton]

Oh, and WTF happened to this heatwave we're meant to be having/suffering, what's happened to the 'record temps'?

Or does heatwave and record temps now actually mean dull and wet and not too warm?

Edited by chris watton on Monday 13th July 13:46

[Mr GrimNasty]

chris watton said:

Oh, and WTF happened to this heatwave we're meant to be having/suffering, what's happened to the 'record temps'?

Or does heatwave and record temps now actually mean dull and wet and too warm?

Someone posted 2015 data on a CET graph on some newspaper comments to prove the Met was honest about the July record!

Dumb - because nobody doubted that it was a hot day, just that scientific integrity has been long since lost, and this record claim was just another example.

What it did show was that despite the CET average chosen being 1960-90 (so including the cold ice age scare) - 2015 was nicely straddling it - so no sign of runaway global warming in the UKs temperatures, I've no doubt 2015 will somehow be the warmest on record though (by hook or by crook or by adjustment).

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Monday 13th July 16:18

[mybrainhurts]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/...

Scientists fiddle while the world doesn't burn...

Boom boom...

[Ali G]

Further 'savings' to be made in alleviation of austerity measures therefor...

[turbobloke]

Has the removal of all windfarm subsidies in Australia been splashed prominently over the BBC and Guardian website yet?

[mybrainhurts]

turbobloke said:

Has the removal of all windfarm subsidies in Australia been splashed prominently over the BBC and Guardian website yet?

Good point...Roger Havvagin and Doris Monbiot must be doing something really important.....

[wc98]

guess this will go down like a lead balloon with the agw crowd. you can be guaranteed the first thing they will mention is the authors links to the fossil fuel industry .it is an interesting read and sounds plausible .
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2015/07/new-paper...
New paper finds increased CO2 or methane will have 'essentially no effect' upon global temperature or climate

[mybrainhurts]

Hope he buys some asbestos underpants before the Climate Inquisition gets him...

[mybrainhurts]

Not taken much notice of Dr Robert Gifford to date, but spotted some of his guff on the news stands today, so I've just had a sniff around google and came up with this...

If you're an insomniac, this should fix you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqVPQEzScdc

What, in the name of The Holy Humbug of Huddersfield, is the point of an environmental psychologist...?

Beside skilfully riding the gravy train, that is.

[wc98]

mybrainhurts said:

Hope he buys some asbestos underpants before the Climate Inquisition gets him...

he will need them once the skeptical nob end team hear about it. will be interesting to read any rebuttal to this. it is one of those theories that sounds almost too simple (i can actually understand it,so it must be bloody simple) ,yet this is often the case with academics, ignore the obvious and try and reinvent the wheel instead.

[turbobloke]

wc98 said:

guess this will go down like a lead balloon with the agw crowd. you can be guaranteed the first thing they will mention is the authors links to the fossil fuel industry .it is an interesting read and sounds plausible .
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2015/07/new-paper...
New paper finds increased CO2 or methane will have 'essentially no effect' upon global temperature or climate

Commentator Glenn Tamblyn is getting stuck in at the schtick but they can't even get basics right. A claim of 80 percent losses via radiation exceeds the dubious NASA/NASA figure of 70 percent for starters and reality is likely to be less than that. Even the dodgy WIKI/NASA budget appears to show less than 80 percent. Maybe there's a 97 percent consensus for the 80 percent figure somewhere.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

It seems our bills this winter will go up, to pay for coal-fired power stations to stay open. The ones forced to close thanks to EU carbon reduction idiocy.

I like my lights staying on, my view is, if you want to reduce carbon, great, but feel free to enjoy the carbon-less darkness and cold by yourself.

A great opportunity for the government to show some independence from Europe.No chance on either point.

http://www.cityam.com/220280/electricity-bills-cli...

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 16th July 11:06

[Mr GrimNasty]

And to pay for big industrial users to shut down, and for fields of standby diesel generators.

That's progress for you!