Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Greenpeace in surprising hypocrite and corruption scandal, it is unthinkable, they are after all greener than a green thing in a green sea. 
Being labelled as hypocrites after senior executive Pascal Husting was exposed for frequently commuting 400km to work — by aircraft — while the group lobbied for curbs on international air travel.
The unmasking of an employee who lost R55 million of funds in a foreign currency exchange bungle. Greenpeace gets the lion’s share of its funds from individual donors. The group refuses to accept money from corporates or political parties.
Leaked documents showing up lax financial oversight and resistance by staff to restructuring. Naidoo had personally taken responsibility for poor internal communication at Greenpeace, according to the leaks.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2014/06/30/gree...
Being labelled as hypocrites after senior executive Pascal Husting was exposed for frequently commuting 400km to work — by aircraft — while the group lobbied for curbs on international air travel.
The unmasking of an employee who lost R55 million of funds in a foreign currency exchange bungle. Greenpeace gets the lion’s share of its funds from individual donors. The group refuses to accept money from corporates or political parties.
Leaked documents showing up lax financial oversight and resistance by staff to restructuring. Naidoo had personally taken responsibility for poor internal communication at Greenpeace, according to the leaks.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2014/06/30/gree...
Some Sunday Bookerage snips:
How Arctic ice has made fools of all those poor warmists...Canadian scientists studying the effect of climate change on Arctic ice from an icebreaker had to suspend their research, when their vessel was called to the aid of other ships trapped in the thickest summer ice seen in Hudson Bay for 20 years...In 2007 the BBC and others were telling us that the Arctic would be totally "ice free by 2013" (the Independent even cleared its front page to announce that the ice could all have disappeared within weeks)...By 2011, the BBC's science editor Richard Black was telling us that the ice would "probably be gone within this decade". In 2012, his colleague Roger Harrabin was reporting that the sea ice was now melting so fast that more had vanished that summer than "at any time since satellite records began"...So taken in had others been by all these dire predictions, that in 2008 the activist Gordon Lewis Pugh, after speaking at a conference alongside Al Gore, set out to paddle a kayak to the North Pole - only to have to abort his trip after a few days because "the ice was too thick"...In 2009, the three-man Caitlin expedition, sponsored by a "climate risk" insurance company, and backed by the BBC and the Prince of Wales, set out to walk to the North Pole...after a few weeks, they had to be airlifted back to a rescue ship because the constantly shifting ice was "too thick"...In December 2013, the world followed agog the plight of yet another "scientific expedition", when 52 climate activists, accompanied by reporters from the BBC and the Guardian, sailed into the Antarctic to measure the effects of global warming on its sea-ice. By Christmas their ship was so dangerously trapped by thick, multi-year ice that they had to be helicoptered to a Chinese ship 10 miles away, which itself then got so trapped in ice that they had to be airlifted again to two other ships even further away.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Ar...
More Sunday Bookerage snips.
The triple bill we pay for solar power...There was a revealing moment on Tuesday's Today programme when the Energy and Climate Change Secretary, Amber Rudd, was petulantly interviewed about her proposed cuts to the nearly £1 billion-a-year subsidy given to our solar energy industry. Her action follows a recent government report which showed that the cost of "environmental levies" has been exploding out of control, and is now projected within five years to have almost trebled to £9.1 billion a year...Putting the case for the industry, Justin Webb began by claiming that, on July 3, no less than "16 per cent of electricity demand in the UK was met by solar power". Which sounded impressive. What he didn't explain, however, was that this 16 per cent was for only a short time in the afternoon when demand was low; and that spikes like this create big problems for the grid, which has to shut off power from other sources to accommodate that briefly coming from solar...Those solar panels are in fact so unproductive that they generate barely 2 per cent of all our electricity at, on average, only 10 per cent of their total 6.5 gigawatt (GW) capacity. Dr John Constable of the Renewable Energy Foundation sent me a National Grid graph showing what happened on April 11 when solar power shot up from nothing to 3.7 gigawatts, before falling back again within a few hours to nothing. As part of its actions to accommodate that solar surge, the grid had to pay...to compensate wind farms for switching off 2.5GW of their power...We cannot expect the renewable-infatuated BBC to explain that we thus pay three times over: first for the subsidised solar power; secondly to the windfarms for their power we don't use; and thirdly a bit extra to compensate them for the fact that we are not using it. Such is the ever more surreal world we are being carried into by the Government's crazed drive to "decarbonise" our economy.
http://telegraph.feedsportal.com/c/32726/f/568324/...
How Arctic ice has made fools of all those poor warmists...Canadian scientists studying the effect of climate change on Arctic ice from an icebreaker had to suspend their research, when their vessel was called to the aid of other ships trapped in the thickest summer ice seen in Hudson Bay for 20 years...In 2007 the BBC and others were telling us that the Arctic would be totally "ice free by 2013" (the Independent even cleared its front page to announce that the ice could all have disappeared within weeks)...By 2011, the BBC's science editor Richard Black was telling us that the ice would "probably be gone within this decade". In 2012, his colleague Roger Harrabin was reporting that the sea ice was now melting so fast that more had vanished that summer than "at any time since satellite records began"...So taken in had others been by all these dire predictions, that in 2008 the activist Gordon Lewis Pugh, after speaking at a conference alongside Al Gore, set out to paddle a kayak to the North Pole - only to have to abort his trip after a few days because "the ice was too thick"...In 2009, the three-man Caitlin expedition, sponsored by a "climate risk" insurance company, and backed by the BBC and the Prince of Wales, set out to walk to the North Pole...after a few weeks, they had to be airlifted back to a rescue ship because the constantly shifting ice was "too thick"...In December 2013, the world followed agog the plight of yet another "scientific expedition", when 52 climate activists, accompanied by reporters from the BBC and the Guardian, sailed into the Antarctic to measure the effects of global warming on its sea-ice. By Christmas their ship was so dangerously trapped by thick, multi-year ice that they had to be helicoptered to a Chinese ship 10 miles away, which itself then got so trapped in ice that they had to be airlifted again to two other ships even further away.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Ar...
More Sunday Bookerage snips.
The triple bill we pay for solar power...There was a revealing moment on Tuesday's Today programme when the Energy and Climate Change Secretary, Amber Rudd, was petulantly interviewed about her proposed cuts to the nearly £1 billion-a-year subsidy given to our solar energy industry. Her action follows a recent government report which showed that the cost of "environmental levies" has been exploding out of control, and is now projected within five years to have almost trebled to £9.1 billion a year...Putting the case for the industry, Justin Webb began by claiming that, on July 3, no less than "16 per cent of electricity demand in the UK was met by solar power". Which sounded impressive. What he didn't explain, however, was that this 16 per cent was for only a short time in the afternoon when demand was low; and that spikes like this create big problems for the grid, which has to shut off power from other sources to accommodate that briefly coming from solar...Those solar panels are in fact so unproductive that they generate barely 2 per cent of all our electricity at, on average, only 10 per cent of their total 6.5 gigawatt (GW) capacity. Dr John Constable of the Renewable Energy Foundation sent me a National Grid graph showing what happened on April 11 when solar power shot up from nothing to 3.7 gigawatts, before falling back again within a few hours to nothing. As part of its actions to accommodate that solar surge, the grid had to pay...to compensate wind farms for switching off 2.5GW of their power...We cannot expect the renewable-infatuated BBC to explain that we thus pay three times over: first for the subsidised solar power; secondly to the windfarms for their power we don't use; and thirdly a bit extra to compensate them for the fact that we are not using it. Such is the ever more surreal world we are being carried into by the Government's crazed drive to "decarbonise" our economy.
http://telegraph.feedsportal.com/c/32726/f/568324/...
XM5ER said:
Good news! Increased CO2 makes plants grow larger using less water (see Dutch hydroponics industry (tomatoes) for daily proof). So problem 2 becomes the solution to problem 3.
It's been a long time since my GCSE's, but doesn't dead plant mater release CO2 when it decomposes? In which case it's not really a solution, unless you want to keep the dead plant matter locked away, pump the CO2 released underground or turn it to charcoal.I always thought the problem with fossil fuels is not so much that they produce Carbon Dioxide (which we all do through respiration), but rather that we're digging up 300 Million years worth of carbon dioxide removed from the atmosphere though fossilisation and throwing it all into our nice 21st century human friendly atmosphere.
Burning wood would also release carbon dioxide, but since the tree only absorbed it 50-100 years ago, putting it back into the atmosphere is no big deal as it's just a cycle.
glazbagun said:
XM5ER said:
Good news! Increased CO2 makes plants grow larger using less water (see Dutch hydroponics industry (tomatoes) for daily proof). So problem 2 becomes the solution to problem 3.
It's been a long time since my GCSE's, but doesn't dead plant mater release CO2 when it decomposes? In which case it's not really a solution, unless you want to keep the dead plant matter locked away, pump the CO2 released underground or turn it to charcoal.I always thought the problem with fossil fuels is not so much that they produce Carbon Dioxide (which we all do through respiration), but rather that we're digging up 300 Million years worth of carbon dioxide removed from the atmosphere though fossilisation and throwing it all into our nice 21st century human friendly atmosphere.
Humans can operate perfectly well in up to 600 ppmv carbon dioxide, with the current level 400 ppmv pretty normal in physiological terms. It does get worse of course. Headaches and sight impairment start around 50000 ppm with loss of consciousness and death around 100000 ppmv. Humans are variable and the effefts of tax gas on them are somewhat variable but the above numbers are close enough.
In passing, and purely out of inerest should anyone be interested, the atmosphere currently contains about 0.04% carbon dioxide, during normal healthy breathing our lung alveoli contain around 6.5% carbon dioxide i.e. 65000 ppmv.
ETA PH link to an earlier discussion:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by turbobloke on Monday 27th July 17:54
Flooding valleys to make hydro-schemes where no natural lakes exist can cause submerged vegetation to rot and evolve methane. This gas being released into the atmosphere, many times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas (allegedly), makes a man-made dammed lake/hydroelectric scheme more damaging to the climate than burning fossils fuels to the same level of power generation until all the inundated trees and plants have rotted.
New Scientist
New Scientist
Edited by motco on Monday 27th July 17:52
motco said:
Flooding valleys to make hydro-schemes where no natural lakes exist can cause submerged vegetation to rot and evolve methane. This gas being released into the atmosphere, many times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas (allegedly), makes a man-made dammed lake/hydroelectric scheme more damaging to the climate than burning fossils fuels to the same level of power generation until all the inundated trees and plants have rotted.
New Scientist
Yup, This is certainly what has happened at the large scale hydro schemes built recently in South America.New Scientist
Edited by motco on Monday 27th July 17:52
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/7/27/w...
I have a car insured with Aviva.
The policy will not be renewed.
I have a car insured with Aviva.
The policy will not be renewed.
glazbagun said:
XM5ER said:
Good news! Increased CO2 makes plants grow larger using less water (see Dutch hydroponics industry (tomatoes) for daily proof). So problem 2 becomes the solution to problem 3.
It's been a long time since my GCSE's, but doesn't dead plant mater release CO2 when it decomposes? In which case it's not really a solution, unless you want to keep the dead plant matter locked away, pump the CO2 released underground or turn it to charcoal.I always thought the problem with fossil fuels is not so much that they produce Carbon Dioxide (which we all do through respiration), but rather that we're digging up 300 Million years worth of carbon dioxide removed from the atmosphere though fossilisation and throwing it all into our nice 21st century human friendly atmosphere.
Burning wood would also release carbon dioxide, but since the tree only absorbed it 50-100 years ago, putting it back into the atmosphere is no big deal as it's just a cycle.
No the plant matter can be eaten by that growing population you were talking about. Of course some of that will result in the production of methane, but lets not talk about that at the dinner table.
The atmosphere has plenty more space for CO2, as it did in the past when the world was far more abundant in life. Here's a question to ponder, has the human race evolved and become sapient and intelligent enough to understand our planet only just at the very end of said planet's life supporting capabilities. Is it possible that without us releasing CO2, our earth is within a few hundred thousand years of total extinction as a result of too little C02 in the atmosphere? I don't know the answer, but neither do scientists who should be studying this question. The question is unlikely to be studied as it goes against doctrine and to even ask it makes you apostate.
Indeed burning wood is cyclic, so long as you wait 50 years before you burn another tree.
pierre is on a good roll at the moment.
German Climate Professors Confirm CO2 Climate Sensitivity Projections Seriously Exaggerated!
“Anyone who has been tracking the scientific journals on climate science has observed over many years that the supposedly expected temperature increase from CO2 has steadily been decreasing over the years.”
“We can now tell politcians that they can call off the warnings. There’s no chance of a global warming of more than 2°C .
The decrease in the projected temperature rise from CO2 will continue on its present trend. By 2025 the warming by CO2 will be close to zero. We can thus expect that the quality of the forecasts will increase to the point where they will actually reflect reality.”
Germany’s Green Crime Wave…Components Being Stripped Off Solar Parks By Mafia!
German NTV public radio reports that solar systems are being hampered by yet another problem: Mafia plundering German solar systems. It’s turning out to be a huge problem, and NTV writes that the solar industry is keeping very quiet about it in order avoid negative publicity. NTV describes how thieves equipped with just a few simple tools are able to strip panels and the expensive power inverters rapidly under the cover of night.
that because of a lack of transparency, the Italian mafia is now in the business of running solar parks equipped with stolen components. “For this reason solar parks in Italy are being used to launder money.”
apparently tre is a problem with wordpress at the moment, so individual posts cannot be linked , all on the man page though http://notrickszone.com/
i do wonder why his site does not get more traffic,as he tends to focus on the scam on our side of the pond.
German Climate Professors Confirm CO2 Climate Sensitivity Projections Seriously Exaggerated!
“Anyone who has been tracking the scientific journals on climate science has observed over many years that the supposedly expected temperature increase from CO2 has steadily been decreasing over the years.”
“We can now tell politcians that they can call off the warnings. There’s no chance of a global warming of more than 2°C .
The decrease in the projected temperature rise from CO2 will continue on its present trend. By 2025 the warming by CO2 will be close to zero. We can thus expect that the quality of the forecasts will increase to the point where they will actually reflect reality.”
Germany’s Green Crime Wave…Components Being Stripped Off Solar Parks By Mafia!
German NTV public radio reports that solar systems are being hampered by yet another problem: Mafia plundering German solar systems. It’s turning out to be a huge problem, and NTV writes that the solar industry is keeping very quiet about it in order avoid negative publicity. NTV describes how thieves equipped with just a few simple tools are able to strip panels and the expensive power inverters rapidly under the cover of night.
that because of a lack of transparency, the Italian mafia is now in the business of running solar parks equipped with stolen components. “For this reason solar parks in Italy are being used to launder money.”
apparently tre is a problem with wordpress at the moment, so individual posts cannot be linked , all on the man page though http://notrickszone.com/
i do wonder why his site does not get more traffic,as he tends to focus on the scam on our side of the pond.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/min...
The measured US temperature data from USHCN shows that the US is on a long-term cooling trend. But the reported temperatures from NOAA show a strong warming trend.
The measured US temperature data from USHCN shows that the US is on a long-term cooling trend. But the reported temperatures from NOAA show a strong warming trend.
Pesty said:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/min...
The measured US temperature data from USHCN shows that the US is on a long-term cooling trend. But the reported temperatures from NOAA show a strong warming trend.
a bit like all the ice in hudson and baffin bays that the satellites are mysteriously struggling to see this year, climate conference effect possibly The measured US temperature data from USHCN shows that the US is on a long-term cooling trend. But the reported temperatures from NOAA show a strong warming trend.
The truth about CO2 - Patrick Moore, Co-founder of Greenpeace or, more correctly, Ex-Greenpeace (founder).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc
rolando said:
The truth about CO2 - Patrick Moore, Co-founder of Greenpeace or, more correctly, Ex-Greenpeace (founder).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc
He's now being erased from their official history, can't think why!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDWEjSDYfxc
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-d...
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