Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[plunker]

NWTony said:

plunker said:

Really?


Since the start of that period the long term trend since 1978 increases well into the 21st century and the period with the steepest slope is 1979 to 2010:



http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/uah/from:1978/to...

Edited by plunker on Wednesday 21st January 20:03

That's an astonishing answer to a qustion not asked!

I questioned his premise - that's allowed I think.

NWTony said:

I believe the question stated the last 15 years

Which my graph covers. If there's been no warming for the last 15 years the long term trend has no business increasing well into the 21st century.

NWTony said:

so start with now and trend backwards for 15 years.

The slope is positive (+0.09C/yr) so that's no good.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/last:180/plot...

[turbobloke]

plunker said:

The slope is positive (+0.09C/yr) so that's no good.

No established causality to humans in sight, so that's no good.

And your slope is, within applicable error bars, zero.

[plunker]

Blib said:

plunker said:

Really?

Really.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/02/its-official...

Article said:

The RSS monthly satellite global temperature anomaly for September 2014 is in, and the Great Pause is now two months longer than it was last month. Would this year’s el Niño bite soon enough to stop the psychologically-significant 18-year threshold from being crossed? The official answer is No.

Globally, September was scarcely warmer than August, which was itself some distance below the 18-year trend-line. Therefore, taking the least-squares linear-regression trend on the RSS satellite monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies, there has now been no global warming for 18 years 1 month.

Here's some graphs to counter your graphs.

Ahh the Monckton Analysis. Let's see his take on the data in it's full glory using all the RSS data:



Look at that maaassive gap between the two portions. Is this a good way of looking at the data?

It's a similar story for the RSS data as UAH - the warming trend doesn't stop in september 1996 and actually increases well into the 21st century. Steepest slope 1979 - 2005.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1978/to:...

[turbobloke]

Causality to humans is one of the best ways of looking at the data.

For those supporting manmadeup warming, where is it?

Nowhere

[plunker]

Lordship Monckton drives his car over a hill taking altitude measurements as he goes and when he gets to the other side he applies a linear trend to the data and seeing the trend is flat concludes there was no hill - silly man.

[vournikas]

Oooooh! Graphs! I can do graphs too

[turbobloke]

plunker said:

Lordship Monckton drives his car over a hill taking altitude measurements as he goes and when he gets to the other side he applies a linear trend to the data and seeing the trend is flat concludes there was no hill - silly man.

Hillocks and you need to look at their origin - which you singularly persist in failing to do...as it demolished your case, that's not surprising.



Was the series of hillocks built by man or naturally occurring? There is nothing in any global climate change data that established causality to humans.

Only a silly man would ignore causality when it's the crux of the matter.

[perdu]

vournikas said:

Oooooh! Graphs! I can do graphs too

You know there's someone round here who is going to say you have them upside down don't you

I will enjoy digesting them more closely ta

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

Deniers what does it mean?

There are some interesting parallels in the descriptions of the different denier ratings available.

That said it seems to be a very sexist site. There is, so far as I could tell during a brief review, absolutely no attempt at inclusivity for males.

Shocking in this day and age one might think.

Or not.

[TKF]

plunker said:

Lordship Monckton drives his car over a hill taking altitude measurements as he goes and when he gets to the other side he applies a linear trend to the data and seeing the trend is flat concludes there was no hill - silly man.

Shame there were no internet forums around when people categorically denied the earth was round.

[vournikas]

perdu said:

vournikas said:

Oooooh! Graphs! I can do graphs too

You know there's someone round here who is going to say you have them upside down don't you

Bloody contrarians!

[Mr GrimNasty]

TKF said:

plunker said:

Lordship Monckton drives his car over a hill taking altitude measurements as he goes and when he gets to the other side he applies a linear trend to the data and seeing the trend is flat concludes there was no hill - silly man.

Shame there were no internet forums around when people categorically denied the earth was round.

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.” Galileo Galilei

[TKF]

I bet he can't do the fandango though

[Mr GrimNasty]

TKF said:

I bet he can't do the fandango though

Oh go on, go on, please, come on. After the risible flat earth example........... Have you lost the warmists' script or something?....... I'll help you.

Next you have to use the smoking/cancer example, go on, it's an absolute clincher, sorry, clencher, every time.

[hidetheelephants]

LongQ said:

Beati Dogu said:

1,700 Private Jets are headed to Davos for the World Economic Forum.

Among the things up for discussion: global warming. Al Gore will be there of course.

http://www.newsweek.com/1700-private-jets-descend-...

That must make it one of the busiest airports of the week.

I assume there is not enough parking locally so the jets are flying in, flying out .... then in again and out.

2 CO2s for the price of 1.

Such upstanding examples of the 'uman race to hire these baubles.

It's worse than we thought; Pharrell and Gore are going to do some work to accelerate global warming climate change by holding pop concerts on 7 continents, including Antarctica. Is it wrong that I hope Gore gets frost bite?

Reuters said:

Gore said the urgent case for action was highlighted by studies last week from two U.S. government agencies showing 2014 was Earth's hottest on record, fuelling a devastating series of extreme storms.

The 10 warmest years since records began in the 19th century have all been since 1997, the U.S. data showed.

Almost 200 nations have set a rise of two degrees Celsius in average global temperature above pre-industrial times as a ceiling to limit climate change, which scientists say will bring more droughts, floods, heatwaves and rising sea levels.

What a load of climate balls; I used to respect Reuters too.

[LongQ]

Nice to see some POLITICS finding its way back in here again .....


That said I have to share this though it may have been posted before.

http://xkcd.com/882/


Right, back to the 2015 Political Drive to con everyone into making Gore richer and paying more taxes.

[turbobloke]

Reuters said:

U.S. government agencies showing 2014 was Earth's hottest on record, fuelling a devastating series of extreme storms

The key element of that statement is one word, government.

RSS and UAH satellite datasets show that 2014 was far from being the hottest year ever. It ranks only sixth in the past 18 years. Other analyses rank it lower.

There's no link between the not-happening warming and weather. The only fuelling involved relates to hype in full flow. Extreme weather isn't increasing.

Prof Pielke Jr Senate testimony and a recent update said:

It is misleading, and just plain incorrect, to claim that disasters associated with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods or droughts have increased on climate timescales either in the United States or globally.

The data says what it says, and what it says is so unavoidably obvious that the IPCC has recognized it.

[AreOut]

turbobloke said:

No established causality to humans in sight, so that's no good.

And your slope is, within applicable error bars, zero.

and even if they could establish causality they don't know if Earth is heading into a new ice age where man-made warming could actually qualify as a very good thing

[TKF]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh go on, go on, please, come on. After the risible flat earth example........... Have you lost the warmists' script or something?....... I'll help you.

Next you have to use the smoking/cancer example, go on, it's an absolute clincher, sorry, clencher, every time.

Sorry but I wouldn't want to interrupt the circle jerk you have going on here.

Apologies for deigning to question the absolute truth you've established.

[Mr GrimNasty]

TKF said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh go on, go on, please, come on. After the risible flat earth example........... Have you lost the warmists' script or something?....... I'll help you.

Next you have to use the smoking/cancer example, go on, it's an absolute clincher, sorry, clencher, every time.

Sorry but I wouldn't want to interrupt the circle jerk you have going on here.

Apologies for deigning to question the absolute truth you've established.

Contrary to what you clearly believe, minds are open, any intelligent person's is.

If you made the effort to just start looking at the detail, cold logic dictates there is no credible evidence, there is certainly no danger with no benefits, and it is just a gravy-train political movement.

Feel free to contribute something interesting or convincing contrary, instead of bitterly and childishly slinging pathetic insults because your position is vacuous.