Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
The Don of Croy said:
From today's Grauniad (Ellie Mae O'Hagan) -
"And finally, we need to urgently address the current strategies western governments are using to deal with migration, and the almost rabid commentary that often accompanies those strategies. There is a strong case for Britain to take a substantial number of climate refugees: as the first country to industrialise, we need to take historical responsibility for climate change, and should take into account our historical carbon emissions and their effects when responding to mass climate migration."
It really is all our fault.
I wouldn't mind, but can we not also extract a charge from other industrialised economies for having got the ball rolling? Say a tiny 15 - 20% levy on their GDP for every year since the introduction of the first mill?
Since industrial goods from nails to railways produced in this country were exported all over the world since the industrial revolution, that means that other countries have been exporting their"And finally, we need to urgently address the current strategies western governments are using to deal with migration, and the almost rabid commentary that often accompanies those strategies. There is a strong case for Britain to take a substantial number of climate refugees: as the first country to industrialise, we need to take historical responsibility for climate change, and should take into account our historical carbon emissions and their effects when responding to mass climate migration."
It really is all our fault.
I wouldn't mind, but can we not also extract a charge from other industrialised economies for having got the ball rolling? Say a tiny 15 - 20% levy on their GDP for every year since the introduction of the first mill?
carbon emissions to the UK for centuries, on that basis it makes the UK one of the cleanest countries on the planet.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Thursday 20th August 20:35
Blib said:
Andy Zarse said:
Ban ban ban.
These people are b
ds. Why do they want to keep bloody banning things? Ban this, ban that, ban the bloody other, well I'm sick and tired of the pricks. Why don't they all just 
fk OFF! and leave the rest of us in peace.
One of my favourite quotes and one that is applicable to the overwhelming majority of True Believers:These people are b
ds. Why do they want to keep bloody banning things? Ban this, ban that, ban the bloody other, well I'm sick and tired of the pricks. Why don't they all just fk OFF! and leave the rest of us in peace. CS Lewis said:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
The Lion, The Witch and The Weirdo?
Blib said:
NOAA: July hottest month on record, and 2015 could be hottest year.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
They also mentioned that on R4 this evening, which made me utter many rude words, as only a week or so ago I saw this temperature graph indicating otherwise:http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
Guardian articles are perhaps the best indicator of just how badly the Warmist argument is doing. They are becoming increasingly loopy to the point where surely anyone with even the slightest modicum of scientific sense can see the whole thing is a can of horsest. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :
Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
t. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
Guardian articles are perhaps the best indicator of just how badly the Warmist argument is doing. They are becoming increasingly loopy to the point where surely anyone with even the slightest modicum of scientific sense can see the whole thing is a can of horsest. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :
Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
t. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
krunchkin said:
Guardian articles are perhaps the best indicator of just how badly the Warmist argument is doing. They are becoming increasingly loopy to the point where surely anyone with even the slightest modicum of scientific sense can see the whole thing is a can of horsest. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :
Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
t. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
Jeremy Corbyn becomes Labour leader because of AGW...
Oh wait!
Andy Zarse said:
krunchkin said:
Guardian articles are perhaps the best indicator of just how badly the Warmist argument is doing. They are becoming increasingly loopy to the point where surely anyone with even the slightest modicum of scientific sense can see the whole thing is a can of horsest. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :
Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
t. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
Jeremy Corbyn becomes Labour leader because of AGW...
Oh wait!
turbobloke said:
Andy Zarse said:
krunchkin said:
Guardian articles are perhaps the best indicator of just how badly the Warmist argument is doing. They are becoming increasingly loopy to the point where surely anyone with even the slightest modicum of scientific sense can see the whole thing is a can of horsest. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :
Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
t. We should do a bullst bingo on what they come up with next :Inner city black youth more likely to carry knives because of GW
Tory majority in swing marginals due to GW
1970s BBC presenters began to fiddle kids as GW kicked in
Jeremy Corbyn becomes Labour leader because of AGW...
Oh wait!
"(Piers) Corbyn is well known for his opposition to the idea of anthropogenic global warming. Corbyn has stated that the anthropogenic contribution to global warming is minimal with any increase in temperature due to increased solar activity. In 2008 Corbyn went even further than being sceptical, and took an absolutist, certain position by stating, "... CO2 has never driven, does not drive and never will drive weather or climate. Global warming is over and it never was anything to do with CO2. CO2 is still rising but the world is now cooling and will continue to do so."[34]. He writes about his views, including the idea that the world is experiencing cooling, on his website[35] and appears on talk shows to discuss what he considers to be weaknesses of the argument for manmade global warming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
Blib said:
NOAA: July hottest month on record, and 2015 could be hottest year.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
I do wonder if they think we are all just sitting here without a clue how or or cold it actually is. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
Having spent much of the last few months wondering if I can put the heating on in Summer however...........
Jasandjules said:
I do wonder if they think we are all just sitting here without a clue how or or cold it actually is.
Having spent much of the last few months wondering if I can put the heating on in Summer however...........
We are even thinking of cancelling our short break in Cornwall, the weather's so sHaving spent much of the last few months wondering if I can put the heating on in Summer however...........
t!chris watton said:
Jasandjules said:
I do wonder if they think we are all just sitting here without a clue how or or cold it actually is.
Having spent much of the last few months wondering if I can put the heating on in Summer however...........
We are even thinking of cancelling our short break in Cornwall, the weather's so sHaving spent much of the last few months wondering if I can put the heating on in Summer however...........
t!
Blib said:
NOAA: July hottest month on record, and 2015 could be hottest year.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
Data from NOAA dates back to 1880, but it is possible that July was the hottest month in at least 4,000 years. Climate research suggests these are the hottest temperatures the Earth has seen since the Bronze Age. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
Perhaps the question should be, why has it taken 6000 years to get back to the bronze age temperature.
Jasandjules said:
Blib said:
NOAA: July hottest month on record, and 2015 could be hottest year.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
I do wonder if they think we are all just sitting here without a clue how or or cold it actually is. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/noaa-global-c...
Having spent much of the last few months wondering if I can put the heating on in Summer however...........
voyds9 said:
Data from NOAA dates back to 1880, but it is possible that July was the hottest month in at least 4,000 years. Climate research suggests these are the hottest temperatures the Earth has seen since the Bronze Age.
The near-surface database is hopelessly corrupted and says nothing of any use at this stage. See earlier but quite recent posts in this thread.As to the hottest July for 4000 years suggestion, wherever it came from that's most unlikely and in any case 'hottest since' says nothing of causality which is the key point.
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