Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
LongQ said:
I suspect we may all be somewhat guilty in that respect. What we 'learn' in the formative years of our careers/working life/what have you tends to stick with us. It's largely the same in taste in music, "art", literature. Some exceptions but early influences last longest.
It seems to me that there is a 20 to 30 years cycle in business with new "discoveries" of business principles appearing as something fresh and innovative when older hands have seen them appear in a very similar form at least once, maybe twice in their working lives.
The medical profession, because it seems at least half of the population of the "Western" world is Health focused and avidly reads anything and everything vaguely related to "healthiness" , is especially prone to sudden changes of understanding and, eventually, of policy as the old guard retire (or in some cases die of old age before they retire).
It is more than likely that none of it is entirely correct and sometimes can be entirely wrong for a career or two until alternative research finds a way to advance a project. But at least there does seem to be some alternative research in the area of medicine and someone will fund it.
In part, of course, the rationale is the same as for "Climate Change".
The pharma companies only survive and make money if they keep creating new and apparently successful products to sell. They also need a market ... so the very last thing that they would want to discover, develop and promote to the world would be the product that that cures everything (or even something) if it requires just a one-off treatment.
Encouraging perpetual inwards cash flow is a solid incentive to operate in a certain way. That approach may work quite well for quite some time but eventually things will move on and the business model fails. It may take some time for that to happen. Old habits die hard.
Spot on - absolutely spot on.It seems to me that there is a 20 to 30 years cycle in business with new "discoveries" of business principles appearing as something fresh and innovative when older hands have seen them appear in a very similar form at least once, maybe twice in their working lives.
The medical profession, because it seems at least half of the population of the "Western" world is Health focused and avidly reads anything and everything vaguely related to "healthiness" , is especially prone to sudden changes of understanding and, eventually, of policy as the old guard retire (or in some cases die of old age before they retire).
It is more than likely that none of it is entirely correct and sometimes can be entirely wrong for a career or two until alternative research finds a way to advance a project. But at least there does seem to be some alternative research in the area of medicine and someone will fund it.
In part, of course, the rationale is the same as for "Climate Change".
The pharma companies only survive and make money if they keep creating new and apparently successful products to sell. They also need a market ... so the very last thing that they would want to discover, develop and promote to the world would be the product that that cures everything (or even something) if it requires just a one-off treatment.
Encouraging perpetual inwards cash flow is a solid incentive to operate in a certain way. That approach may work quite well for quite some time but eventually things will move on and the business model fails. It may take some time for that to happen. Old habits die hard.
Good Grief...
Daily Fail
Daily Fail
Article said:
This is not due to rising sea levels but because the island has eroded - it is six to ten feet above sea level, which continues rising.
motco said:
Good Grief...
Daily Fail
Haven't laughed so much since The Day Today was on the telly;Daily Fail
Article said:
This is not due to rising sea levels but because the island has eroded - it is six to ten feet above sea level, which continues rising.
The Fail said:
Currently, 80 per cent of residents do not have toilets and rely on homemade ones, they have to carry water from tanks in town, costing 25 cents for five gallons, and the school of 154 students is overcrowded.
Is Chris Morris writing for them these days? 
Mr GrimNasty said:
I'm really liking the Real Science site at the moment.
It's just one lie after another shot down in flames with real statistics and old newspaper articles showing that the weather (climate!) has always done what it does.
e.g. NASA has 'adjusted' 0.8C of warming into the 'data', yet declares records by hundredths of a degree!
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/08/29/a-s...
I've just forwarded that link to Steve A Conners, the science editor of the Independent. I challenged him to put it on the front page of the newspaper.It's just one lie after another shot down in flames with real statistics and old newspaper articles showing that the weather (climate!) has always done what it does.
e.g. NASA has 'adjusted' 0.8C of warming into the 'data', yet declares records by hundredths of a degree!
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/08/29/a-s...
robinessex said:
I've just forwarded that link to Steve A Conners, the science editor of the Independent. I challenged him to put it on the front page of the newspaper.
I've just asked them what they are smoking in the office and also asked if their pension fund is invested 'green' energy - just like the BBC.Doubt I'll get a reply though.
hidetheelephants said:
The bulls
t continues to pile up; BBC scotland weather prognosticator just came out with the pearl of wisdom that Scotland's unusually cold and wet summer was down to green house gas accumulation? WTF? Is there no end to the utter bks they are willing to broadcast?
I was late with my university assignment and blamed it on global warming. I was given £750 funding and a three year extension.t continues to pile up; BBC scotland weather prognosticator just came out with the pearl of wisdom that Scotland's unusually cold and wet summer was down to green house gas accumulation? WTF? Is there no end to the utter bks they are willing to broadcast?(May not be true
)motco said:
Good Grief...
Daily Fail
This island (sand spit) has been doing the rounds of the enviro-press for years and has been debunked more times than I can mention. If you take a look on google earth you can see where the problems lie, it is certainly a man made disaster but it has nothing to do with MMGW.Daily Fail
Article said:
This is not due to rising sea levels but because the island has eroded - it is six to ten feet above sea level, which continues rising.
The science thread doesn't work, so thought I'd post this. I knew that the Western Antarctic shelf hits the news from time to time as an area where ice melts and often breaks off, but I didn't know it was due to underwater volcanoes... http://www.livescience.com/46194-volcanoes-melt-an...
Ahimoth said:
I didn't even have to try to 'troll' the "follow the money" out of them. So I didn't fail.
Sorry is that an insult? - when has the phrase "follow the money" ever been anything except good solid advice if you wish to determine underlying motivations from disparate groups?Cui Bono - It is certainly not the environment, it is certinaly not the human race so Cui Bono the CAGW meme?
Jinx said:
Ahimoth said:
I didn't even have to try to 'troll' the "follow the money" out of them. So I didn't fail.
Sorry is that an insult? - when has the phrase "follow the money" ever been anything except good solid advice if you wish to determine underlying motivations from disparate groups?Cui Bono - It is certainly not the environment, it is certinaly not the human race so Cui Bono the CAGW meme?
indeed.As regards 'Cui Bono' for a moment there I thought 'you too' were announcing an aged 1980s band to sing on stage but happily NO.
I think the answer is 'Ego'
As regards our friend 'Ahimoth', the biblical references are a bit too much to bear, I seriously doubt we'll ever see him again in this thread. (I'm still waiting to know how old he/she is).
Jinx said:
Ahimoth said:
I didn't even have to try to 'troll' the "follow the money" out of them. So I didn't fail.
Sorry is that an insult? - when has the phrase "follow the money" ever been anything except good solid advice if you wish to determine underlying motivations from disparate groups?Cui Bono - It is certainly not the environment.....
"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore..."
It's not environment and it's not science, advises former Greenpeace leader and co-founder Dr P Moore:
"The once politically centrist, science-based vision of environmentalism has been largely replaced with extremist rhetoric. Science and logic have been abandoned and the movement is often used to promote other causes such as class struggle and anti-corporatism."
As re-confirmed more recently by leftist eco-author Naomi Klein:
"The really inconvenient truth is that it’s not about carbon — it’s about capitalism. The convenient truth is that we can seize this existential crisis to transform our failed economic system and build something radically better."
Blind faith.
turbobloke said:
"Now you made your Babylon, what next?should only take you 7 days to fix the mess
you don't care.."
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