Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
nelly1 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Radio 4 is going full warming this morning, met office numbskull sprouting the obligatory CO2 scaremongering.
Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
Same old, same old...Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
You'd think there was a big climate conference coming up...
nelly1 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Radio 4 is going full warming this morning, met office numbskull sprouting the obligatory CO2 scaremongering.
Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
Same old, same old...Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
You'd think there was a big climate conference coming up...
Can’t 1; could 4; expected 1; but 6; might 1; near 1; indicate 1; likely 3; suspect 1; don’t 1; cannot 1
So that’s a nice concise, accurate report then, isn’t it ? Or maybe not ?
robinessex said:
How do the idiots who spout this rubbish become professors ?
It's a job title. Global warming brings in the big bucks, so universities are keen to have their slice of the pie. Look how Penn State University has protected hockey stick inventor Michael Mann over the years. He's their rain maker in more ways than one.Although they like to dress it up as if it has some sort of high moral calling, modern science is less the search for knowledge and more the search for funding.
Otispunkmeyer said:
nelly1 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Radio 4 is going full warming this morning, met office numbskull sprouting the obligatory CO2 scaremongering.
Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
Same old, same old...Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
You'd think there was a big climate conference coming up...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/13/us-climat...
The Southern Ocean has "recovered" its ability to suck vast amounts of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, overturning fears the natural “sink” had stalled with dire consequences for future climate change. Climate vested interests had scaremongered that the uptake of tax gas by the Southern Ocean had slowed in a supposed “feedback” response to human activity.
As it happens, the amount of carbon dioxide being absorbed by the southern ocean is rising (recent research finding).
As it happens, the amount of carbon dioxide being absorbed by the southern ocean is rising (recent research finding).
Dr David Whitehouse of GWPF said:
Another alarmist claim removed by science, showing that the ‘settled science’ isn’t settled at all. The fact is that the current models do not fit the observations, so there we have a vital part of future climate prediction shown to be not predictable.
Otispunkmeyer said:
nelly1 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Radio 4 is going full warming this morning, met office numbskull sprouting the obligatory CO2 scaremongering.
Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
Same old, same old...Warmest ever, turning point, melting ice caps, sea level rises etc.
Roger Harrabin is full CO2 freakout this morning, preparing to use the El nino to justify the entire edifice.
You'd think there was a big climate conference coming up...
But they've also found the Atlantic is capable of cooling the Arctic too...but cannot be sure which system will take precedence...it's almost as if they're not sure.
Drier summers in Europe might be nice.
Tony Abbott ousted at an awkward time, might not be all that bad though.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/9/14/t...
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/9/14/t...
The Don of Croy said:
From the BBC page linked above, this nugget of knowledge "Now, it is entering a warm phase, which will typically make the world hotter.
But they've also found the Atlantic is capable of cooling the Arctic too...but cannot be sure which system will take precedence...it's almost as if they're not sure.
Drier summers in Europe might be nice.
Paul Homewood does a nice simple demolition of the latest Met "climate conference coming so let's up the propaganda " hereBut they've also found the Atlantic is capable of cooling the Arctic too...but cannot be sure which system will take precedence...it's almost as if they're not sure.
Drier summers in Europe might be nice.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...
Let's not forget their aim is nothing more than to publish more alarmism which will not be retracted. They don't have to be right, just get the compliant media to publish it. Job jobbed as far as they are concerned.
Same with the injured polar bear story doing the rounds this morning, starving polar bear but with an injured back leg. Reason it's starving is definitely climate change and not the fact it has an injured leg and therefore will find hunting more difficult! Once published for Paris, it's out there.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Ground temperature data is now suddenly diverging from satellite data, contradicting IPCC science, as if we needed further proof of how the ground data has been cooked to eradicate the pause and get hottest month/year headlines in desperation for Paris.
As mentioned previously is this not an inevitable result of shifting SST from (in summary) lower and more accurate buoy temperatures towards the higher and less accurate ship intake temperatures? Approx two-thirds of the planet's surface is water.Once this 'adjustment' was made and the flak was ridden with the help of a supine media, the position was achieved such that at the time of fiddling (sorry, time of adjustment) and onwards there was a ready-made temperature increase that would make that year and subsequent years look significantly hotter. All that believers had to do was conveniently forget how it arose and forget to mention it afterwards and for the foreseeable.
As if it was actually like that! But Paris demands that it looks like that, since both climate 'scientists' and reporting journalists are either clueless about both data and causality or deliberately look the other way.
utterly astounding statement from walt meier (walt mitty would be more appropriate)of nasa regarding arctic sea ice .
“Arctic ice cover becomes less and less resilient and it doesn’t take as much to melt it as it used to,” Meier said. The sea ice cap, which used to be a solid sheet of ice, is now fragmented into smaller floes that are exposed to warm water on more sides. “In the past, Arctic sea ice was like a fortress. The ocean could only attack it from the sides. Now it’s like the invaders have tunneled in from underneath and the ice pack melts from within.”
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=...
wtf ? arctic sea ice was never a solid ice sheet/cap ,no matter how thick it gets there will always be large cracking and displacement issues due to the ocean currents working below the ice ,and weather above it. the above says "please keep funding my job" to me.good example of why nasa has the nick name of not about science anymore.
“Arctic ice cover becomes less and less resilient and it doesn’t take as much to melt it as it used to,” Meier said. The sea ice cap, which used to be a solid sheet of ice, is now fragmented into smaller floes that are exposed to warm water on more sides. “In the past, Arctic sea ice was like a fortress. The ocean could only attack it from the sides. Now it’s like the invaders have tunneled in from underneath and the ice pack melts from within.”
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=...
wtf ? arctic sea ice was never a solid ice sheet/cap ,no matter how thick it gets there will always be large cracking and displacement issues due to the ocean currents working below the ice ,and weather above it. the above says "please keep funding my job" to me.good example of why nasa has the nick name of not about science anymore.
The Don of Croy said:
Great intro to a comment piece in today's Grauniad -
"Misunderstanding the Holocaust has made us too certain we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1940s. Faced with a new catastrophe – such as devastating climate change – could we become mass killers again?"
Guess who's misuderstood climate change then? Or doesn't want to actually, just wants to be the morals of the planet."Misunderstanding the Holocaust has made us too certain we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1940s. Faced with a new catastrophe – such as devastating climate change – could we become mass killers again?"
The Don of Croy said:
Great intro to a comment piece in today's Grauniad -
"Misunderstanding the Holocaust has made us too certain we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1940s. Faced with a new catastrophe – such as devastating climate change – could we become mass killers again?"
the big problem is these clowns do not realise that the easy life the developed world has evolved to expect actually allows their kind of fruitloopery. if they had to spend all day physically working just to put food on the table then keep an eye out all night for their families safety,this sort of drivel would not even be on their agenda."Misunderstanding the Holocaust has made us too certain we are ethically superior to the Europeans of the 1940s. Faced with a new catastrophe – such as devastating climate change – could we become mass killers again?"
maybe we need a return to harder times for a while to allow the meek among us to get a grasp of the important things in life.
Anyone read this yet - from today
Some interesting stuff in there - maybe the tide is turning.
Some interesting stuff in there - maybe the tide is turning.
article said:
“We shouldn’t be destroying our economy in order to chase some wild left-wing idea that somehow, us, by ourselves are going to fix the climate.”
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