Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[nelly1]

The excuses to kick the money-can further down the road than the upcoming Paris beanfeast have started - Clicky...

Apparently 'The Science©' may be settled, but the 'science of co-operation' isn't...

[karma mechanic]

Yesterday I spent a long time with a rake and a leaf blower clearing vast quantities of acorns off the garden and drive. I've never seen such a heavy fall, and I've lived next to that tree for nearly 30 years. No previous year has even been close in terms of quantity and there are loads still up there.

So I Googled it to see what might influence the quantity of acorns...

As you've probably guessed, the Vinerism is strong here: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/17...

[The Don of Croy]

karma mechanic said:

Yesterday I spent a long time with a rake and a leaf blower clearing vast quantities of acorns off the garden and drive. I've never seen such a heavy fall, and I've lived next to that tree for nearly 30 years. No previous year has even been close in terms of quantity and there are loads still up there.

So I Googled it to see what might influence the quantity of acorns...

As you've probably guessed, the Vinerism is strong here: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/17...

Oddly enough this was a topic in our household yesterday - the neighbours tree has dropped enough acorns to obscure the footpath, it's just a mat of crunchy brown shells.

The Grauniad piece refers to the Woodland Trust. A local resigned his longstanding membership and wrote to our paper bemoaning the Trust for it's false claims regarding woods near the A21 road widening scheme, outside Tunbridge Wells. The Woodland Trust wanted to rally it's members to object, citing claims about 'ancient' woodlands being lost and specimen trees cut down. He knew the woods, and refuted the claim. But even after he made them aware of his specialist knowledge, they ignored it. So he resigned.

And yet the paper still publishes letters from concerned locals citing the 'ancient' woodlands clause, loss of specimen trees, disruption to natural habitats etc etc.

It's all PR games. Shout louder, for longer, and you'll win.

[XM5ER]

karma mechanic said:

Yesterday I spent a long time with a rake and a leaf blower clearing vast quantities of acorns off the garden and drive. I've never seen such a heavy fall, and I've lived next to that tree for nearly 30 years. No previous year has even been close in terms of quantity and there are loads still up there.

So I Googled it to see what might influence the quantity of acorns...

As you've probably guessed, the Vinerism is strong here: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/17...

Same here. Squirrels busy burying nuts in the garden too (though it wont do one of them much good as the cat caught him and ate him in the afternoon), and the first frost on the car windscreen this morning.

[Mr GrimNasty]

As a seasoned countryside observer, fruitfulness has nothing to do with Winter, I've lost count of the times I've watch the bountiful haws and nuts, only to be disappointed by winter.

I'm afraid trees can't predict, they only echo what has happened.

Remarkably like IPCC climate models.

[motco]

Barely an acorn to be seen on my drive whereas last year there were hundreds from a large mature tree on the boundary.

[Mr GrimNasty]

If oaks get poor weather in April they produce few/no acorns, they also produce very few/no acorns the year after a mast year.

[XM5ER]

Mr GrimNasty said:

As a seasoned countryside observer, fruitfulness has nothing to do with Winter, I've lost count of the times I've watch the bountiful haws and nuts, only to be disappointed by winter.

I'm afraid trees can't predict, they only echo what has happened.

Remarkably like IPCC climate models.

But, but, trees are, like, really wise man.. they've been around man.. have you never hugged a tree? Go on hug a tree.

[LongQ]

XM5ER said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

As a seasoned countryside observer, fruitfulness has nothing to do with Winter, I've lost count of the times I've watch the bountiful haws and nuts, only to be disappointed by winter.

I'm afraid trees can't predict, they only echo what has happened.

Remarkably like IPCC climate models.

But, but, trees are, like, really wise man.. they've been around man.. have you never hugged a tree? Go on hug a tree.

Flora Rights!

Why do vegetarians, who so often support the concept of animal rights in quite extreme ways, hate plants?

If they had as much respect for plants and their powers as they claim there is no way they would murder them just for food, clothing and shelter.

[Jinx]

LongQ said:

Flora Rights!

Why do vegetarians, who so often support the concept of animal rights in quite extreme ways, hate plants?

If they had as much respect for plants and their powers as they claim there is no way they would murder them just for food, clothing and shelter.

Or deny them copious amounts of CO2 (much needed by our green and stationary friends) .

[mybrainhurts]

Did I hear the Beeb predict viner falls in the next two weeks? I think I did.

[LongQ]

Troughing seems to start at the "top" of society - probably does not trickle down very far.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270108/So...

[robinessex]

LongQ said:

Troughing seems to start at the "top" of society - probably does not trickle down very far.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270108/So...

Of course, they won't produce any power at night, so 'something else' will have to be provided to do that, won't it. I wonder what it'll be ?

[don4l]

Talking about troughing, I see that Tim Yeo is suing the Times for libel.

This might not go as he thinks it will.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-34506...

[mybrainhurts]

I look forward to that...

[robinessex]

Off the BBC website today. Climate change:-

Er Yes ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3451...

Er No ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3448...

Well at least you can't accuse the Beeb of being biased this time !! Maybe confused instead !!!

[Otispunkmeyer]

don4l said:

Talking about troughing, I see that Tim Yeo is suing the Times for libel.

This might not go as he thinks it will.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-34506...

Why do all of them look like fat, greasy, sociopaths with small old man syndrome? I mean that is not a trusting face. Thats a "I am going to fk you over" face. None of them look trustworthy. And they aren't.

[2013BRM]

guys, having an online spat with an old chum about this and he's quoting 97% of climate scientists agree etc along with a couple of graphs, anyone got any links I can throw back? sorry but am in Germany on a customers site and can't access anything

[Einion Yrth]

2013BRM said:

guys, having an online spat with an old chum about this and he's quoting 97% of climate scientists agree etc along with a couple of graphs, anyone got any links I can throw back? sorry but am in Germany on a customers site and can't access anything

Should help

[2013BRM]

Einion Yrth said:

2013BRM said:

guys, having an online spat with an old chum about this and he's quoting 97% of climate scientists agree etc along with a couple of graphs, anyone got any links I can throw back? sorry but am in Germany on a customers site and can't access anything

Should help

thanks old chap