Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[motco]

Not strictly political but something struck me while I listened to the seven a.m. weather forecast this morning. The forecaster said that temperatures in parts of Scotland were -3C while in East Anglia they were as high as +13C - "That's the difference between clear skies and thick cloud" quoth he.

Has it not occurred to them to question exactly how much effect visible water vapour has? I know, it's not climate, it's weather...

[chris watton]

Interesting piece from WUWT:

"How a liberal vegan environmentalist made the switch from climate proponent to climate skeptic"

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/16/how-a-libera...

[Otispunkmeyer]

motco said:

Not strictly political but something struck me while I listened to the seven a.m. weather forecast this morning. The forecaster said that temperatures in parts of Scotland were -3C while in East Anglia they were as high as +13C - "That's the difference between clear skies and thick cloud" quoth he.

Has it not occurred to them to question exactly how much effect visible water vapour has? I know, it's not climate, it's weather...

Nope. Its all CO2's fault, that weak ass GHG where a mere 200 ppm increase is going to send us all straight to the inferno.

[Puggit]

France's top weatherman sparks storm over book questioning climate change

Philippe Verdier, weather chief at France Télévisions, the country's state broadcaster, reportedly sent on "forced holiday" for releasing book accusing top climatologists of "taking the world hostage"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f...

[mybrainhurts]

Glad to see you awake and bushy tailed.....

[mybrainhurts]

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2015/10/16/...

The fall and fall of the Royal Society..Part 2

[robinessex]

We're all going to freeze to death now!!!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/612369/SHOCK...

Oh, hang on, it's the Express weekly weathev report, so file in 'really!'

[robinessex]

Paris climate summit: Major oil producers back 'effective' deal


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3455...

Aren't these huge companies run very highly paid people, who must therefore be very intelligent, but can't see past all the climate change bks? Or just read this PH tread ?

[Mr GrimNasty]

robinessex said:

Paris climate summit: Major oil producers back 'effective' deal


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3455...

Aren't these huge companies run very highly paid people, who must therefore be very intelligent, but can't see past all the climate change bks? Or just read this PH tread ?

It's self-preservation, what it really means is 'Fracking for Natural Gas - fk yeh, Thunderbirds are go!'

[powerstroke]

robinessex said:

We're all going to freeze to death now!!!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/612369/SHOCK...

Oh, hang on, it's the Express weekly weathev report, so file in 'really!'

Thats a mild non descript winter coming then!!! and people think the DM prints rubbish
Any way its all going to be sorted in Paris soon so no nasty climate change to worry about....

[mko9]

motco said:

Not strictly political but something struck me while I listened to the seven a.m. weather forecast this morning. The forecaster said that temperatures in parts of Scotland were -3C while in East Anglia they were as high as +13C - "That's the difference between clear skies and thick cloud" quoth he.

Has it not occurred to them to question exactly how much effect visible water vapour has? I know, it's not climate, it's weather...

And latitude.

[ukaskew]

Has anyone watched Cowspiracy? Whilst some of the stats are questionable the actual debate and complete lack of interest from the environmental groups was fascinating.

[hidetheelephants]

Mr GrimNasty said:

robinessex said:

Paris climate summit: Major oil producers back 'effective' deal


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3455...

Aren't these huge companies run very highly paid people, who must therefore be very intelligent, but can't see past all the climate change bks? Or just read this PH tread ?

It's self-preservation, what it really means is 'Fracking for Natural Gas - fk yeh, Thunderbirds are go!'

What a surprise, bad faith from environmentalists; as soon as some pragmatists want to start talking about real/possible/workable agreements they toss their toys out of the pram. Once they wreck any prospect of an agreement, they will then start spinning that it was the forces of evil carbon wot dun it.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 17th October 19:09

[mybrainhurts]

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-...

A warmist sees the light. Good piece.

[plunker]

mybrainhurts said:

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-...

A warmist sees the light. Good piece.

What's good about it? He's no sceptic - just flipped from one form of believer to another by the looks. He confesses to being a vegan so I'm guessing he doesn't do things in half measures. I stopped reading when I saw his wide-eyed belief in solar TSI/temperature correlation. Even turbobloke doesn't argue for that

[LongQ]

plunker said:

What's good about it? He's no sceptic - just flipped from one form of believer to another by the looks. He confesses to being a vegan so I'm guessing he doesn't do things in half measures. I stopped reading when I saw his wide-eyed belief in solar TSI/temperature correlation. Even turbobloke doesn't argue for that

Hmm.

Did I just read a statement of consensus about the involvement of belief systems on all sides rather than pure cold science?

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

plunker said:

What's good about it? He's no sceptic - just flipped from one form of believer to another by the looks. He confesses to being a vegan so I'm guessing he doesn't do things in half measures. I stopped reading when I saw his wide-eyed belief in solar TSI/temperature correlation. Even turbobloke doesn't argue for that

Hmm.

Did I just read a statement of consensus about the involvement of belief systems on all sides rather than pure cold science?

And then we realise that the politicised believers in CAGW don't have the data on-side, whereas the climate realists are aligned with the data.

[robinessex]

plunker said:

mybrainhurts said:

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-...

A warmist sees the light. Good piece.

What's good about it? He's no sceptic - just flipped from one form of believer to another by the looks. He confesses to being a vegan so I'm guessing he doesn't do things in half measures. I stopped reading when I saw his wide-eyed belief in solar TSI/temperature correlation. Even turbobloke doesn't argue for that

Well, nobody is perfect

[Mr GrimNasty]

plunker said:

What's good about it? He's no sceptic - just flipped from one form of believer to another by the looks. He confesses to being a vegan so I'm guessing he doesn't do things in half measures. I stopped reading when I saw his wide-eyed belief in solar TSI/temperature correlation. Even turbobloke doesn't argue for that

Wow at last there is one point I can agree on, Vegans are more likely to suffer from extreme views, blind prejudice, and mental illness, that's why so many are 'greens'.

Anyway, Booker tells the truth about the Met again.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015...

[turbobloke]

On the question of whether you should or shouldn't.

http://www.dorkingandleatherheadadvertiser.co.uk/C...