Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

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turbobloke

104,009 posts

261 months

Saturday 31st January 2015
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BGARK said:
eek

Yes but we simply, simply must have all those batteries for electric cars and magnets for windymills otherwise there'll be too much pollution.

silly

BGARK

5,494 posts

247 months

Saturday 31st January 2015
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Whats so worrying is how many idiots believe the green hype, they seem to think that shutting down the UK will solve all the worlds issues?


turbobloke

104,009 posts

261 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Talking of idiots that believe green hype...

Palace Tensions As Charles Refuses To Be A Silent King And Queen Fears Britain Isn’t Ready For Charles & His Activism

Take your pick (some sources found from the headlines may be paywalled online):

1) Palace Tensions As Charles Refuses To Be A Silent King - The Sunday Times, 01 February 2015

2) Britain Isn’t Ready For Charles And His Activism, Fears Queen - The Times, 02 February 2015

3) Prince Charles Launches Blistering Attack On Businesses That Ignore His Climate Warnings - The Guardian 28 January 2015

4) The Man Who Sees Himself The Saviour King -The Independent on Sunday, 01 February 2015

5) Reminder: Prince Charles 'Consorted With Labour On Climate Change' - The Daily Telegraph, 29 June 2014

6) And Finally: Mankind Must Go Green Or Die, Says Prince Charles - The Independent, 23 November 2012


It looks as though Charles' preparations for an activist monarchy have already led to a backlash: a new book has revealed the "dysfunctional and divided" court around him. A source with close links to the Palace said: "It is no accident that he writes all those letters to ministers. He does see himself as a kind of saviour of the nation, someone who can mend the broken country. Some might see that as presumptuously messianic." His 'blistering attack' on companies that are actively seeking to delay progress on preventing runaway climate change is risible. All HRH can say is that time is running out, oblivious to the fact that he and other believers have been saying this for ever and a day (in AGW parlance) or since the hoax took off in the 80s in climate realist parlance.

LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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turbobloke said:
Talking of idiots that believe green hype...

Palace Tensions As Charles Refuses To Be A Silent King And Queen Fears Britain Isn’t Ready For Charles & His Activism

Take your pick (some sources found from the headlines may be paywalled online):

1) Palace Tensions As Charles Refuses To Be A Silent King - The Sunday Times, 01 February 2015

2) Britain Isn’t Ready For Charles And His Activism, Fears Queen - The Times, 02 February 2015

3) Prince Charles Launches Blistering Attack On Businesses That Ignore His Climate Warnings - The Guardian 28 January 2015

4) The Man Who Sees Himself The Saviour King -The Independent on Sunday, 01 February 2015

5) Reminder: Prince Charles 'Consorted With Labour On Climate Change' - The Daily Telegraph, 29 June 2014

6) And Finally: Mankind Must Go Green Or Die, Says Prince Charles - The Independent, 23 November 2012


It looks as though Charles' preparations for an activist monarchy have already led to a backlash: a new book has revealed the "dysfunctional and divided" court around him. A sourcve with close links to the Palace said: "It is no accident that he writes all those letters to ministers. He does see himself as a kind of saviour of the nation, someone who can mend the broken country. Some might see that as presumptuously messianic." His 'blistering attack' on companies that are actively seeking to delay progress on preventing runaway climate change is risible. All HRH can say is that time is running out, oblivious to the fact that he and other believers have been saying this for ever and a day (in AGW parlance) or since the hoax took off in the 80s in climate realist parlance.
He could stop selling his Duchy products and just offer the recipes electronically forcing people to grow their own ingredients and thus to go green.

That would work wouldn't it?

I could just see Sam Cam and Justin Whatshername in their vegetable patches planting turnips ...

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

171 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Another film funding appeal.

https://www.climatehustle.org/

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Another film funding appeal.

https://www.climatehustle.org/
Fat Albert will not like that...

Which is nice....smile

turbobloke

104,009 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2015
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PHers living in or near London might be interested in this. It looks to be open house while places are avaialable.

Believing in Six Impossible Things before Breakfast, and Climate Models

Professor Christopher Essex, House of Lords, 11 Feb 2015

A talk by Dr Christopher Essex - Chairman, Permanent Monitoring Panel on Climate, World Federation of Scientists, and Professor and Associate Chair, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada

Has the scientific problem of climate been solved in terms of basic physics and mathematics? No, but you will be forgiven if you thought otherwise. For decades, the most rigorous treatments of climate have been done through climate models. The clever model pioneers understood many of their inherent limitations, but tried to persevere nonetheless. Today, few academics are even aware of what the pioneers understood, let alone what has been learned since about the full depth of modelling difficulties. Meanwhile popular expressions of the scientific technicalities are largely superficial, defective, comically nonsensical, and virtually uncorrectable.

All of the best physics and all of the best computer models cannot put this Humpty Dumpty together, because we face some of the most fundamental problems of modern science in climate, but hardly know it. If you think you want to have a go at those problems, there are at least a couple million dollars in prizes in it, not to mention a Fields Medal or two.

But even if you don’t have some spare afternoons to solve problems that have stymied the best minds in history, this talk will cure computer cachet even for laymen, putting climate models into their proper perspective.

When: 11 February 2015 - 18:30 - 20:00 hours

Where: House of Lords, Committee Room 4a.

Register: daniel.mahoney@thegwpf.org (be quick)

turbobloke

104,009 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2015
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Guam said:
This should be sent to every MP prior to the May elections along with a question as to whether they understand its implications

Welcome to the modern day equivalent of the mark of Cain smile


Background here smile

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/oops-on...

Top marks Tallbloke smile
He may have got that from PH wink or not, as tallbloke is well connected.

Either way, if that's not a beer it's definitely a half to go on the tab smile

See Tuesday 27 January:

turbobloke said:
Fancy a dose of climate model failure? Try this trio:

Daily Mail covers model abject failure after published study shows that "predictions are 'very greatly' exaggerated".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-292...

Briggsy is back on the case after being hacked off by hackers "a major peer-reviewed climate physics paper in the first issue of the prestigious Science Bulletin (formerly Chinese Science Bulletin), the Orient’s equivalent of Science or Nature, exposes elementary but serious errors in the billion-dollar general-circulation computer models relied on by the UN’s climate panel, the IPCC. The errors were the reason for concern about Man’s effect on the climate. Without the errors, there is no climate crisis."
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/15095

Monckton and Briggs join forces with Dr Willie Soon and David Legates with a good result, and here it is.
http://www.scibull.com:8080/EN/abstract/abstract50...
biggrin

It's getting massive attention over at the BBC, Guardian and Independent wobble

turbobloke

104,009 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2015
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Guam said:
turbobloke said:
biggrin

It's getting massive attention over at the BBC, Guardian and Independent wobble
Bugger this having a life outside of PH is proving tedious smile
beer
hehe

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Tuesday 3rd February 2015
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turbobloke said:
PHers living in or near London might be interested in this. It looks to be open house while places are avaialable.

Believing in Six Impossible Things before Breakfast, and Climate Models

Professor Christopher Essex, House of Lords, 11 Feb 2015

A talk by Dr Christopher Essex - Chairman, Permanent Monitoring Panel on Climate, World Federation of Scientists, and Professor and Associate Chair, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada

Has the scientific problem of climate been solved in terms of basic physics and mathematics? No, but you will be forgiven if you thought otherwise. For decades, the most rigorous treatments of climate have been done through climate models. The clever model pioneers understood many of their inherent limitations, but tried to persevere nonetheless. Today, few academics are even aware of what the pioneers understood, let alone what has been learned since about the full depth of modelling difficulties. Meanwhile popular expressions of the scientific technicalities are largely superficial, defective, comically nonsensical, and virtually uncorrectable.

All of the best physics and all of the best computer models cannot put this Humpty Dumpty together, because we face some of the most fundamental problems of modern science in climate, but hardly know it. If you think you want to have a go at those problems, there are at least a couple million dollars in prizes in it, not to mention a Fields Medal or two.

But even if you don’t have some spare afternoons to solve problems that have stymied the best minds in history, this talk will cure computer cachet even for laymen, putting climate models into their proper perspective.

When: 11 February 2015 - 18:30 - 20:00 hours

Where: House of Lords, Committee Room 4a.

Register: daniel.mahoney@thegwpf.org (be quick)
As Cameron, Clegg and Davy are within spitting distance, can we tie them up and drag them to this?

Minigland, too. Can you picture him at the end, muttering Ohhhhh...bugger ? hehe

And Prince Chuck...One is mortified.


vetrof

2,488 posts

174 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Pretty interesting discussion on climate change. Joe Rogan with Randall Carlson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ

turbobloke

104,009 posts

261 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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vetrof said:
Pretty interesting discussion on climate change. Joe Rogan with Randall Carlson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ
Sure is, and the comments are entertaining as well smile but both need a heftier dose of causality and all its implications.

Meanwhile there's a new Cold War brewing as USA and Russia fight over Europe’s energy future with Russia funding anti-fracking groups.

1) New Cold War: US, Russia Fight Over Europe’s Energy Future - Associated Press, 03 February 2015

2) Ukraine Gas Deadline Heightens Threat To Europe’s Energy Security - Bloomberg News, 03 February 2015

3) Chevron Abandons Shale Ventures In Europe - International New York Times, 31 January 2015

4) Russia’s War On Fracking - National Review Online, 03 February 2015

5) Weak Oil Wipes Out Third Of Russia's Export Revenue, Central Banker Says -
Forbes, 03 February 2015

6) Russia Funding Anti-Fracking Groups - Oliver Lane, 28 January 2015


chris watton

22,477 posts

261 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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turbobloke said:
Sure is, and the comments are entertaining as well smile but both need a heftier dose of causality and all its implications.

Meanwhile there's a new Cold War brewing as USA and Russia fight over Europe’s energy future with Russia funding anti-fracking groups.

1) New Cold War: US, Russia Fight Over Europe’s Energy Future - Associated Press, 03 February 2015

2) Ukraine Gas Deadline Heightens Threat To Europe’s Energy Security - Bloomberg News, 03 February 2015

3) Chevron Abandons Shale Ventures In Europe - International New York Times, 31 January 2015

4) Russia’s War On Fracking - National Review Online, 03 February 2015

5) Weak Oil Wipes Out Third Of Russia's Export Revenue, Central Banker Says -
Forbes, 03 February 2015

6) Russia Funding Anti-Fracking Groups - Oliver Lane, 28 January 2015
Like the '80's all over again, but this time the Soviets are funding the watermelons.

Otispunkmeyer

12,606 posts

156 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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LongQ said:
turbobloke said:
Talking of idiots that believe green hype...

Palace Tensions As Charles Refuses To Be A Silent King And Queen Fears Britain Isn’t Ready For Charles & His Activism

Take your pick (some sources found from the headlines may be paywalled online):

1) Palace Tensions As Charles Refuses To Be A Silent King - The Sunday Times, 01 February 2015

2) Britain Isn’t Ready For Charles And His Activism, Fears Queen - The Times, 02 February 2015

3) Prince Charles Launches Blistering Attack On Businesses That Ignore His Climate Warnings - The Guardian 28 January 2015

4) The Man Who Sees Himself The Saviour King -The Independent on Sunday, 01 February 2015

5) Reminder: Prince Charles 'Consorted With Labour On Climate Change' - The Daily Telegraph, 29 June 2014

6) And Finally: Mankind Must Go Green Or Die, Says Prince Charles - The Independent, 23 November 2012


It looks as though Charles' preparations for an activist monarchy have already led to a backlash: a new book has revealed the "dysfunctional and divided" court around him. A sourcve with close links to the Palace said: "It is no accident that he writes all those letters to ministers. He does see himself as a kind of saviour of the nation, someone who can mend the broken country. Some might see that as presumptuously messianic." His 'blistering attack' on companies that are actively seeking to delay progress on preventing runaway climate change is risible. All HRH can say is that time is running out, oblivious to the fact that he and other believers have been saying this for ever and a day (in AGW parlance) or since the hoax took off in the 80s in climate realist parlance.
He could stop selling his Duchy products and just offer the recipes electronically forcing people to grow their own ingredients and thus to go green.

That would work wouldn't it?

I could just see Sam Cam and Justin Whatshername in their vegetable patches planting turnips ...
He could just stop making them altogether... they're fking nasty over priced garbage.

hidetheelephants

24,461 posts

194 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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chris watton said:
Like the '80's all over again, but this time the Soviets are funding the watermelons.
The Sovs did fund watermelons in the 1980s, it's just they hadn't got their green coats on.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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http://phys.org/news/2015-02-turbines-electricity....

just what could possibly go wrong...

LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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AreOut said:
http://phys.org/news/2015-02-turbines-electricity....

just what could possibly go wrong...
Things like this have a place - just not really in main stream high output production. Maybe some miracle will occur in the future and change that.

Perhaps.

LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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It seems that statistical analysis has shown that all the climate models are absolutely fine in their predictions. No systematic errors at all.

Apparent anomalies are simply down to:

"Climate is subject to chance and chaos - which makes life difficult for climate researchers. No wonder that these two unpredictable climate factors lie at the root of a mystery that has baffled scientists since the start of the 21st century. Since then, the temperature of the Earth's surface has increased by only around 0.06 degrees Celsius - much less than had been predicted by all 114 model simulations considered in the climate report by the IPCC. Jochem Marotzke and Piers M. Forster have now explained the warming pause in terms of random fluctuations arising from chaotic processes in the climate system. Even more importantly for the two researchers and their colleagues around the world: they did not find any conceptual errors in the models. Most notably, the models do not generally react too sensitively to increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-global-slowdown-syste...

The Read More Link is the official link provided by the journal.

So there you go. Unpredictable chance and chaos all works one way the researchers predict.




wc98

10,416 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
PHers living in or near London might be interested in this. It looks to be open house while places are avaialable.

Believing in Six Impossible Things before Breakfast, and Climate Models

Professor Christopher Essex, House of Lords, 11 Feb 2015

A talk by Dr Christopher Essex - Chairman, Permanent Monitoring Panel on Climate, World Federation of Scientists, and Professor and Associate Chair, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada

Has the scientific problem of climate been solved in terms of basic physics and mathematics? No, but you will be forgiven if you thought otherwise. For decades, the most rigorous treatments of climate have been done through climate models. The clever model pioneers understood many of their inherent limitations, but tried to persevere nonetheless. Today, few academics are even aware of what the pioneers understood, let alone what has been learned since about the full depth of modelling difficulties. Meanwhile popular expressions of the scientific technicalities are largely superficial, defective, comically nonsensical, and virtually uncorrectable.

All of the best physics and all of the best computer models cannot put this Humpty Dumpty together, because we face some of the most fundamental problems of modern science in climate, but hardly know it. If you think you want to have a go at those problems, there are at least a couple million dollars in prizes in it, not to mention a Fields Medal or two.

But even if you don’t have some spare afternoons to solve problems that have stymied the best minds in history, this talk will cure computer cachet even for laymen, putting climate models into their proper perspective.

When: 11 February 2015 - 18:30 - 20:00 hours

Where: House of Lords, Committee Room 4a.

Register: daniel.mahoney@thegwpf.org (be quick)
As Cameron, Clegg and Davy are within spitting distance, can we tie them up and drag them to this?

Minigland, too. Can you picture him at the end, muttering Ohhhhh...bugger ? hehe

And Prince Chuck...One is mortified.
i would personally pay for davey to go smile ,in the expectation his head really would explode.
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