Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
rovermorris999 said:
WWI&II also, I mean we've never had a world war before we started using machines and exhausting CO2 right?!woowahwoo said:
Ed makes an appearance. 4th paragraph "Let me return..."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/...
"We are now at 1 °C of warming, which is half way to 2 °C". - Even he was smirking at reading that out aloud.
After reading Ed's Trumpet Blowing contribution I made the mistake of continuing to peruse subsequent pieces of hot air passing through reverberative orifices.http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/...
"We are now at 1 °C of warming, which is half way to 2 °C". - Even he was smirking at reading that out aloud.
Good grief.
These people are our "Lawmakers"?
Why?
mybrainhurts said:
Just heard Ed Miliband wants the UK to lock itself into a legally binding requirement to achieve zero CO2 emissions by sometime soon...
It seems to have escaped Mr Norkbrain that he exhales CO2 every time he breathes.
He has probably listened to a consensus opinion shared by 99.9% of the Westminster Bubble and it co-troughing organisations that 97% of the populace are too stupid to know that they exhale CO2 - and so believes he can get away with his BS unquestioned by the unquestioning.It seems to have escaped Mr Norkbrain that he exhales CO2 every time he breathes.
Or so they expect.
LongQ said:
mybrainhurts said:
Just heard Ed Miliband wants the UK to lock itself into a legally binding requirement to achieve zero CO2 emissions by sometime soon...
It seems to have escaped Mr Norkbrain that he exhales CO2 every time he breathes.
He has probably listened to a consensus opinion shared by 99.9% of the Westminster Bubble and it co-troughing organisations that 97% of the populace are too stupid to know that they exhale CO2 - and so believes he can get away with his BS unquestioned by the unquestioning.It seems to have escaped Mr Norkbrain that he exhales CO2 every time he breathes.
Or so they expect.
More winding up the climate scare:-
Five US states where climate change could be disastrous
Of course,it's got NOTHING to do with the Paris party next week, has it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34872956
Five US states where climate change could be disastrous
Of course,it's got NOTHING to do with the Paris party next week, has it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34872956
robinessex said:
More winding up the climate scare:-
Five US states where climate change could be disastrous
Of course,it's got NOTHING to do with the Paris party next week, has it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34872956
Dear God!Five US states where climate change could be disastrous
Of course,it's got NOTHING to do with the Paris party next week, has it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34872956
The BBC has excelled itself with that story.
How on Earth could anyone write such drivel? Surely, any sane person would think "People will think that I am a lunatic if I publish this blatant b
ks". BBC said:
Mississippi already averages 25 days a year of dangerous heat and 1.7 million people potentially threatened by wildfire, according to the report. But the state has taken no climate-change driven action. By 2050, the state is projected to have 100 dangerous heat days a year - third in the entire nation - and 60 days of high wildfire potential.[/url]
robinessex said:
More winding up the climate scare:-
Five US states where climate change could be disastrous
Of course,it's got NOTHING to do with the Paris party next week, has it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34872956
The BBC has excelled itself with that story.
How on Earth could anyone write such drivel? Surely, any sane person would think "People will think that I am a lunatic if I publish this blatant bks".
BBC said:
Mississippi already averages 25 days a year of dangerous heat and 1.7 million people potentially threatened by wildfire, according to the report. But the state has taken no climate-change driven action. By 2050, the state is projected to have 100 dangerous heat days a year - third in the entire nation - and 60 days of high wildfire potential.
Troubleatmill said:
LongQ said:
mybrainhurts said:
Just heard Ed Miliband wants the UK to lock itself into a legally binding requirement to achieve zero CO2 emissions by sometime soon...
It seems to have escaped Mr Norkbrain that he exhales CO2 every time he breathes.
He has probably listened to a consensus opinion shared by 99.9% of the Westminster Bubble and it co-troughing organisations that 97% of the populace are too stupid to know that they exhale CO2 - and so believes he can get away with his BS unquestioned by the unquestioning.It seems to have escaped Mr Norkbrain that he exhales CO2 every time he breathes.
Or so they expect.
don4l said:
robinessex said:
More winding up the climate scare:-
Five US states where climate change could be disastrous
Of course,it's got NOTHING to do with the Paris party next week, has it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34872956
The BBC has excelled itself with that story.
How on Earth could anyone write such drivel? Surely, any sane person would think "People will think that I am a lunatic if I publish this blatant bks".
BBC said:
Mississippi already averages 25 days a year of dangerous heat and 1.7 million people potentially threatened by wildfire, according to the report. But the state has taken no climate-change driven action. By 2050, the state is projected to have 100 dangerous heat days a year - third in the entire nation - and 60 days of high wildfire potential.
OK, Wiki for a start - not great .... but does it really get all of geography wrong? Possibly not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi
So the population of the State is about 1/3rd of London. Maybe less.
The Major city is less than half the population of Nottingham.
"Notable" cities run down to populations that are no bigger the the catchment area of my village.
How about this for a quote (admittedly a Wiki quote)
"Flooding overwhelmed northwestern Mississippi in 1912–1913, causing heavy damage to the levee districts. Regional losses and the Mississippi River Levee Association's lobbying for a flood control bill helped gain passage of national bills in 1917 and 1923 to provide federal matching funds for local levee districts, on a scale of 2:1. Although U.S. participation in World War I interrupted funding of levees, the second round of funding helped raise the average height of levees in the Mississippi-Yazoo Delta to 22 feet (6.7 m) in the 1920s.[16] Scientists now understand the levees have increased the severity of flooding, and the region was severely damaged due to the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927. There were losses of millions of dollars in property, stock and crops. The most damage occurred in the lower Delta, including Washington and Bolivar counties.[17]
Even as scientific knowledge about the Mississippi River has grown, upstream development and the consequences of the levees have caused more severe flooding in some years. Scientists now understand that the widespread clearing of land and building of the levees have changed the nature of the river. Such work removed the natural protection and absorption of wetlands and forest cover, strengthening the river's currentThe state and federal governments have been struggling for the best approaches to restore some natural habitats in order to best interact with the original riverine ecology."
There's more but best to read the Wiki.
Soooo, what will tomorrow's "scientists" "now understand" about the current crop's desires to remove CO2 form the atmosphere?
On the other hand it is the state that gave us Oprah Winfrey and Elvis Presley.
Allegedly.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 23 November 22:44
And there's more. Another climate change 'dilemma' story
COP 21: Philippines wrestles with climate dilemma
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3490...
My wife comes from the Phillipines. The moment she saw this, said it's another golden opportunity for the corrupt politicians there to line their pockets with yet more (stolen/illegal) money!!!
COP 21: Philippines wrestles with climate dilemma
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3490...
My wife comes from the Phillipines. The moment she saw this, said it's another golden opportunity for the corrupt politicians there to line their pockets with yet more (stolen/illegal) money!!!
turbobloke said:
Exactly.
In a complex chaotic system such as our planet's coupled ocean-atmosphere climate system, it's not possible to know for sure what the outcome will be from any perturbation.
Even more exactly, look at how a complex pendulum behaves in a complex chaotic system. The mathematics cannot cope. In a complex chaotic system such as our planet's coupled ocean-atmosphere climate system, it's not possible to know for sure what the outcome will be from any perturbation.
Here is a video of a complex pendulum
Better still, a few months back I attended a lecture at University College Cork IRL regarding waves, Ocean (sea shore) waves they were, and after listening to the discussion and mathematics it was explained that they had decent mathematical equations for waves in their lab test environment, but they could not mathematically describe waves in the real world because the real world isn't flat (but their test environment was flat - and that was the only environment in which their equations worked).
So when turbobloke states that
turbobloke said:
We can no more engineer a X deg C drop, or prevent a 2 deg C rise (globally via tax gas nonsense) not least since we won't have caused it if it happens. We can alter our local environment via LULC / UHIE and even more locally by turning the heat up in our homes, if we're able to afford it with all the green bullshine to pay for on top of keeping warm enough to live a decent existence in winter.
He (they) is 100% correct. We can't engineer it, there is no model. There's only guess work going on here.And this is the scientific point, the killer blow if you will...
IT IS 100% NOT VERIFIABLE
(it's not even 1% verifiable)
You can see what's going on, so can I, so can a lot of other people not restricted to PH and this thread.
Yet there's a persistent claim that 97%
of climate scientists are clueless.
That's quite a confession, and what a shame
it doesn't actually add up. It still reveals a lot, however!
Yet there's a persistent claim that 97%
of climate scientists are clueless. That's quite a confession, and what a shame
it doesn't actually add up. It still reveals a lot, however!
turbobloke said:
You can see what's going on, so can I, so can a lot of other people not restricted to PH and this thread.
Yet there's a persistent claim that 97% of climate scientists are clueless.
That's quite a confession, and what a shame it doesn't actually add up. It still reveals a lot, however!
I'm a bit caught up on the issue of the claim that 97% of climate scientists think what ever.... they shouldn't be claiming anything. The should be proving everything.Yet there's a persistent claim that 97%
of climate scientists are clueless. That's quite a confession, and what a shame
it doesn't actually add up. It still reveals a lot, however!Our Science (PH) thread has died a death and that tells us pretty much everything we have to know.
The 'Science is settled' - but there is a massive argument left about the results of any scientific study and how that "science" is settled.
Perhaps we can mention my issues:
1. I don't believe temperature records are even close to telling us the full picture - corruption being the key there.
2. The complex pendulum - all bets are off.
robinessex said:
And there's more. Another climate change 'dilemma' story
COP 21: Philippines wrestles with climate dilemma
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3490...
My wife comes from the Phillipines. The moment she saw this, said it's another golden opportunity for the corrupt politicians there to line their pockets with yet more (stolen/illegal) money!!!
From the article.COP 21: Philippines wrestles with climate dilemma
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3490...
My wife comes from the Phillipines. The moment she saw this, said it's another golden opportunity for the corrupt politicians there to line their pockets with yet more (stolen/illegal) money!!!
"Meanwhile, amid the debate over energy in the Philippines, there are efforts to help people cope with the kind of future disasters that may become more intense with climate change.
The charity Save the Children is providing advice to schools on how to teach children to be more aware of the possible dangers. "
So, is that useful help from a charity in a time of need .... or attempted pre-emptive indoctrination of young minds?
Maybe they are simply helping the children accept future low expectations rather then have them hope for a coal powered energy driven future?
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